That’s literally 19 ilvl above what the content drops.
I have done tier 11 on basically every class with less than 620 gear. Tank, healer and dps
It takes longer and you’re getting one shot if you miss a mechanic but so be it
No, I know all that, I did t11 without dying (as tank though) so I know the req ilvl is generous depending on your own abilities and spec, but it remains that they’re telling blizzard it’s too difficult as dps, yet are more than 20 ilvl below the recommended ilvl. What do they expect Blizz to do?
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To constantly nerf things down to their level of play.
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That’s just simply a lie, upgraded champion goes to 658.
I heal tank brann on 11s. It’s not entirely fun because he’s made of paper now, but it’s doable.
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Doing 11’s as a BM, pets tank + bran haler = Easiest delves possible.
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Issue is between the chair and the keyboard.
As someone whos run as both Guardian and Feral (discount rogue by all accounts) and a Rogue, you have so many things at your disposal to make life easy.
Pull singles
Pop defensives
Stagger potions (theyre up for 15 seconds and cast every 30 seconds)
Pull the room, pop evasion + CDs and melt face
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Gear upgrade is a thing. 658 is maxed out champion track. Dont even need Hero track from Bounties or vault to reach that
We agree there is a discrepancy that’s nothing new, tanks have often had an easier time doing some content, dps can do other content quicker, etc
Your OP made it sound like you think delves are literally impossible as dps and that isn’t true.
Yep, I agree with OP that tanks have it easy even my undergear alts can smash 11s safely… semi slowly.
But dps players saying it’s impossible are just not playing their class to its potential. My mages have to kite, stun, snare, use mirror image and burst dps CDs at the right time. I find it a pretty fun puzzle to solve the first time.
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There’s absolutely no doubt that tanks make delves super easy. I just don’t think that’s the bar we should set for other roles. Tanks are the outliers.
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So I guess by that logic if you walk into a M0 with less than 658 ilvl you’re undergeared for the content.
If dps can tank the damage the same way tanks are doing right now, then tanks are gonna pull the whole thing without breaking a sweat.
DPS players saying its impossible are treating it like world quests and strictly using damaging abilities.
It was supposed to be “challenging” solo content
Revert the tank brann “buffs”
Make tanks take 50% more damage
Increase the objectives required for DPS (forcing them to interact with more mob packs or use more of their toolkit to bypass said mobs)
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The problem is the difficulty is centered almost exclusively on getting trucked by damage.
And obviously classes deal with that with varying degrees.
Nah.
The biggest issue here, someone the other day said they struggled on Drywhiskers as DPS while saying the boss has an unavoidable AoE calling it overtuned. The point of that fight as DPS is to use your defensives during Firestorm while staggering Brann’s potion but a lot of DPS players here expected Tank Brann to do all of the work.
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I have all dps, none over 625. And only my pally can do 9s, not even 10. I’ll admit to being a lazy(relaxed) player. When I’m on my Rogue I can’t do over an 8 n that’s with Brann healing n kiting constantly staggering the healing pots. I have yet to complete a 10 even in S1, so don’t get down on yourself for not beating a 11, you’re surpassing me at least =)
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I can and do 11s on both my prot and arms spec the trick to doing it as DPS is this:
Respect the pulls. You over pull your dead end of discussion. Just pay it smarter.
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