When has Jaina ever done anything back in TBC, WoD, and Cata besides background small screentime while thrall pretty much got nearly everything as screentime as it is. So it’s kind of hypocritical.
TBC, Cata, and WoD She wasn’t. Also She also didn’t have screentime legion other than the beginning and that’s about it.
I don’t necessarily agree that Jaina has been in things constantly, there are certainly characters that have been more present more often, or are on par with her, but I’m aware she triggers people so I won’t slapfight overmuch about that.
My personal thought is that Blizzard needs to move away from the ‘main character NPC’ style of storytelling and have the faction leaders in the background actually leading their people. They don’t all need reasons to be on the new continent, and I find Blizzard has managed to do this fairly well for the initial patches of recent expansions but then falls into Marvel style storytelling more quickly with each one. The ‘stranger in a strange land’ aspect always makes for a much more enjoyable experience, in my opinion, which nearly every expansions starting with MoP has managed to start with (except for Shadowlands).
Jaina is Lord Admiral of Kul Tiras, she doesn’t need to be skipping off to the Dragon Isles. Thrall is essentially the only major leader the orcs have now, he doesn’t need to be over there either. If any major lore characters need to be there, they should be background, ‘leading efforts’, not the ones we follow after.
Give us a new land to explore where we’re a bunch of adventurers, reclaiming a new frontier for our favourite giant winged lizards, with all our various leaders anxiously waiting on the wings praying we don’t blow something up when left to our own devices.
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He had SEVERAL big roles in Cata, then a role again in MoP and then WoD and had minor roles in Legion and then reappeared again in BfA.
What? She was literally the leader of the Survivors of Lordearon, until WoW Vanilla we didn’t even know what happened to the rest of the Alliance. She was the defacto leader of what remained of the Alliance.
As for important, she was in Wrath, she was not in cata until the Mana Bombing and then was active for most of MoP. She had a cameo role in WoD, disappeared for all of Legion and only came back by BfA.
And is since bfa annoying
Thrall freed the orcs from enslavement, founded the Horde, took them to Kalimdor, brought them back into shamanism after generations of warlock control, personally brought the Darkspear and tauren into the Horde after saving both races from extinction, saved Grom Hellscream who then freed the orcs from their bloodcurse, founded Durotar and built the first orcish city on Azeroth. And this is all before WoW.
Jaina went on a boat trip and is pretty good at frostbolt.
Wow talk about being biased.
This is why I hate discussing lore with people on these forums more and more.
Is being objective dead or not cool anymore for you kids?
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I’m sorry, but Thrall is just significantly more important to the Horde than Jaina is to the Alliance and if you don’t see that I’m sorry, but that’s your bias. The Horde literally would not exist right now if not for Thrall, can you honestly say the same about Jaina?
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There’s a difference between pointing out Thrall’s importance to the Horde, and suggesting Jaina isn’t important at all though.
Jaina uncovered the danger of the plagued grain and the Scourge, establishing a moral compass for the Alliance by refusing to partake in the purge of Stratholme, and was the only person smart enough to heed Medhiv’s warning, taking an expedition to Kalimdor, a dangerous journey with no guarantee of survival, in an attempt to save the world itself. She established her own City-State of Theramore, and helped to save all of Azeroth during the Third War.
Thrall went on a boat trip and couldn’t control Grom at all, leading him to having to get bailed out by Jaina.
See how your statement was biased now?
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Jaina wasn’t a racial leader.
Indeed. I think that is an issue at play here. The posts in this thread are a bit funny in how they prove the point.
People who are fans of Jaina/Thrall will say “they don’t use my favorite enough, other characters are used more!”
While people who are not big fans of either say both are used quite enough already.
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You compared Jaina’s story arc to a boat trip, How is anyone going to take anything you say seriously?
How do you define a racial leader? And early in wow she and Bolvar were the skull level human characters
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Benedictus too.
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The same way Blizzard does.
Their website.
lol.
Don’t pretend to be obtuse. Benedictus was a literal who who was never important in wow until he went rogue. Fandral was more important than Benedictus, but was in no media ever stated to be the leader of night elves, whilst Tyrande was.
Hell, Fandral didn’t even exist in W3.
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You might not remember but back in Vanilla/BC there was actually a debate on who was the leader of the humans. Some did say both Benedictus/Bolvar were equal because at the time the concept of “racial leader” didn’t totally exist/was not codified the way we have it now.(that only started in Wrath when we actually got the achievement to kill racial leaders and even that was a bad way to judge who was the faction leader considering the dwarves had three but you only need to kill Muradin)
Bottomline the Horde thought he was as important if only because he had the raid boss tag as well. Similarly, the Vanlla manual did not mention racial leaders for a reason and only had “notable characters” section. Of which, Jaina was actually more prominent then Bolvar(especially considering she brokered the ceasefire with Thrall).
The debate back then was of the idea there were a “split” between the Alliance, an EK one and a Kalimdor one.
Storywise Jaina is equal to a racial leader as anyone else. She is a full blown ruler of her own city(cycling to three at this point) and as prominent if not more so then many of the other leaders.
Honestly I would’ve listed SoD instead of Sepulcher. As Thrall is at least involved in a fight in SoD, that being Sylvanas.
I think the press releases we have had so far have said two of our main heroes are gonna be Alexstraza and Wrathion, and I’m okay with that. I don’t actually mind Jaina and Anduin, but I think it’s about time they take a breather. I really want an expansion without Sylvanas. Thrall? Yeh, I could do without him too. Never really cared for him. I just sorta put up with him when he’s onscreen.
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okay?
But the website said it was Anduin by lineage, but Bolvar was regent.
People argue that Garrosh was a good guy, but that doesn’t make it true.
https://web.archive.org/web/20060315203243/http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/races/humans.html
Doesn’t actually say Anduin was faction leader, or Bolvar because they did not really make a codified faction leader until we needed one for Wrath for the achievement.
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Pretty sure everyone not being willfully ignorant understood the boss mobs in the faction cities were the racial leaders. Hard doubt a noteworthy number of people (I’m thinking exactly zero) thought the lady on an island in the swamp next to Orgrimmar on an entirely separate continent was the racial leader for Stormwind humans.
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