Some buffs coming in for Holy and nerfs to Disc.
This addresses the low dps on Holy and a 4% hps buff helps wash half the nerfs we got.
Hoping they address mana issues.
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Sorry for the dumb question, but why is the 2-piece change a nerf to raid? Is it like the way it ticks?
All nice little changes for holy. I’m very happy.
I’m really surprised shadow didn’t get a single change though.
They’re probably gonna delete it lol
I was half tempted to switch to shadow and try it out since I have the four set and am just about burnt out from healing. Got my receipt, I don’t feel the need to prove myself further.
But the sanctify renews went from 5 seconds to 6 seconds so that is a buff? Or is it too early for my brain to be working. 
I misread. Oops
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I panicked a little because another nerf to holy just seemed so mean!
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Just crunching the data.
With the buff to the 2-piece it makes Rapid Recovery a lot more powerful.
Right now with Rapid Recovery Renew ticks every 2.6s with 15% haste. With the extra 1s on Sanctify you’re looking at 3 full ticks + 1/2 tick of Renew per target. Overall it’s a net gain of 2.5 ticks total of Renew if you hit 5 targets. TLDR is we’re getting roughly an extra 15-20k healing out of Sanctify… overall hps increase of about 15%. In raid it should translate to a ~1.5% overall hps increase if you consistently hit 5 targets.
With Serenity you’re getting an extra 1.5 ticks so it’s probably going to be around a 1% overall hps increase.
Couple this with the 4% increase and Holy’s getting about a 6-7% hps boost. It’ll nudge us up a bit from probably last place to 2nd to last. Another 3-4% hps increase will put us back in the middle of the pack and revert all the nerfs we got.
Resetting Holy Word Salvation is a huge hassle and I’m hoping they buff it from 15s reduction a Holy Word to 20s. Symbol of Hope really should be reverted back to its old version, especially in dungeons.
I don’t think Holy’s going to get its needed overhauls until next expansion though.
Raided as holy last night and man I had missed it. After a raid night of playing disc I was always so tired from concentrating so stinking much and feeling like I was the worst disc player ever(probably close to lol). Last night was lovely. 
I just assume that I can only push that button once now. It stinks but I tell myself that it is freeing as I have more freedom to use it wherever now and I don’t have to work on lowering its CD.
I am part of a more casual guild and we are only about halfway through heroic, so it works. I imagine it hurts for more competitive guilds/groups.
But yea, it stinks.
The issue with resetting Salv is there’s a lot of gaps on the boss fights where there’s nothing to heal. The fight also needs to be at least 7 minutes long to get a realistic chance for double salv.
I don’t know why they don’t just make Salv a flat 4.5 minute cd or something. It feels like it takes so much work and effort to reset it.
It buffs smite, but smite does a lot. It counts toward the mindbender cooldown in shadow covenant, doubles the damage reduction of the next mob attack, and provides a lot of extra healing. With the 4 piece, after using PI with a mindbender ramp, you only have 5-10 seconds left on the mindbender cooldown after shadow covenant, which can be further reduced with a few smites. If you have PI and bloodlust active when you ramp, you will get mindbender off cooldown before shadow covenant is over. Meaning you just roll into another ramp. It’s pretty sick.
Reading all that…
I have no issue timing my +20 with a good dps group. But boy my DPS su€ks real bad.
70k overall ?? Bro I am sitting at 24k - 30k lmao
I can push 150k-200k hps easy on that AoE pack in DoTI (one where we skip the blob boss lol) its almost a joke lol
But just dont look at my dps lol
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A more realistic target if you don’t have a very organized/good group, and you’re not popping Shocking Disclosure potions/have a damage trinket is probably the 40k range.
70k overall is very optimized. Like that’s having an aug, popping Disclosures, having a damage trinket, doing decently sized pulls and not having to do much targeted healing because everything’s interrupted properly, etc, etc. all combined. I’ve gotten around 80k with an aug in the group, but that group was pulling really efficiently and I got to reset bender a lot because I rarely had to flash heal someone, and I was specifically trying to optimize damage.
In your regular +22 pug I’m pulling like 50k on damage meters maybe?
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You are my people. I think I am around the 30k range for dps right now too as disc lol. Only doing mainly 18-20 keys with people I know but I am happy with how it is working out. I don’t use shocking disclosure, though I should as mana isn’t a thing. And I don’t have dps trinkets, but I just got coagulated blood so that probably helps dps somewhat. Plan on running coagulated blood and tyrstone this week to see how they work. Also, I don’t usually run with an Aug.
Might set loot spec to shadow for the weekly emissary heroic reward in hopes of getting a dps trinket though.
Another thing to think about, I have seen people talk about high damage parses and I have scratched my head at how high they say they do. Last season on my holy priest, when running 22s I was parsing like 95-97 and only doing like 20-25k overall in dungeons according to logs while people here on the forums were saying almost twice that was the goal. So, I think detail settings and logs are not the same.
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I think I have hit my “skill cap” with +20s in pugs.
I ran with branch from WcM but I think I will be doing the Caged Horror + coagulated blood, as I can easily heal +20 without branch.
I did pay attention to my details while running the +20 Fall I did. And on good trash packs i can hit high like 120k but overall is still not higher than 40k lol so its just situational.
I tried to do the +22 WM lol got my a$$ handed to me by the sisters xD So decided that its just as far as I am going to go. Might try later this season to push higher with higher ilvl and more int. Goal is to hit 3k io this season for very first time.
I don’t run with Augvokers either. I just hate the fact that I have to have an Augvoker to perform. Just give me my power and remove the damn Augvoker entirely >.>
If you can make your way to healing 20s I’m sure you can push a little higher too with the right groups!
I made a thread that goes through how I’m ramping, or what to be afraid of on each boss that might be useful if you’re struggling on one: Season 3 M+ Healing tips for each Dungeon
The toughest part of sisters is when malady gets the orb, since you have to move or eat a bunch of ramping damage, and you’ve got marks to deal with. That’s when I’d prep your CDs for. 
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Thats where we got rekt.
I saw arcane mage and pally dps just standing there with 4 stacks taking that damage, I knew what was gonna happen and panicked >.> idk how many stacks its ok to have I keep moving constantly and dont let em go higher than 2 lol
We wiped twice and DH dps left the group, which was understandable. Was my own key I hold no grudge, I was just trying it out and learning high keys.
Thanks for the link, will surely check it out and take tips. I like reading in here xD made it to 20s just by reading what other builds people have been trying and how they prepare. It’s fun.
Kind of rude for people to just let 4 stacks happen, no excuse for it, especially for melee. I try not to go above 2 as well. Even then, that part hurts.
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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/35#metric=hps&sample=1&dataset=90
Just looking at the data over the last 24 hours for raid healing. Disc dropped down from 2nd to 3rd place, but Holy is still dead last. Holy is probably going to need at least a 10% total hps buff to get them up to the same level as Disc.
Expecting another 3-4% buff to Holy next week. Reducing Flash Heals mana cost from 3.6% to 3% would bring it down to BFA levels on Holy and help alleviate mana issues in M+.
FYI if caged horror procs during pennance or dark reprimand, it will cancel your cast even after 1 bolt.
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