Our weapons are not magical and depite we can ress every time we die we are not super special.
And you are aware that level is a gameplay factor and not a lore factor, right? XDDD
Its…i dont know, i feel like our characters, without the boost power, wouldnt be able to deal with argus, hell, we didnt fought sargeras and blizzard said the jailer in terms of power level would be a titan++
So, we beat argus only because we had the Artifact Weapon backin us up
We only defeated Nyan’zoth because we had the Heart of Azeroth and we could channel the energy of the planet towards the thing, else we would lose.
Now the Primus said the covenants need to reforge their covs sigis, that is how we will be able to fight the jailer or whatever guardian he pulls up, then in the end those sigils will kill/imprison him again, Not we as characters, but the borrowed power that was given to us.
So blizz might go back to its roots for next xpack without a problem with a far less powerfull enemy because we may not have a super power to borrow. or they can keep pushing that and giving us borrowed super powers.
Poor Garrosh. But hey atleast he went out in full Awesome Orc Glory.
What do you mean not magical? They literally are unless they are white/grey. Green literally means “this has magic in it” its why you can “disenchant” those. Plus you can you know, enchant them for EXTRA MAGIC.
Level is a gameplay factor, but the point is lorewise we beat dimensius, ergo we are stronger.
Even if you pretend it was all the artifacts or whatever, then you just ask “okay why didnt anybody else use them” surely if the Ashbringer was all it took to beat sargeras, its wielders wouldn’t have repeatedly died (and redied) to wimps. Plus we beat dimensius, all the other old gods, all the various servants/creations of the old gods and/or titans, the various other types of gods like loa etc on our own. If you really think it was the doomhammer that did it that’s a bit of a stretch.
The source of this was the Warcraft movie. The directors got permission to rewrite lore as they see fit to fit it into 1-2 hours. One lore change they made was Mak’gora. Gul’dan in the movie used magic in his Mak’gora to win and the orcs said magic is banned in Mak’gora, so when you see people comment “Thrall cheated!!!” you know they watched the Warcraft movie and believe it to be cannon to real wow’s lore.
magic is 100% allowed in Mak’gora, the warcraft movie you saw had the cannon story of wow changed by permission of blizzard so directors could do whatever they wanted. Below is the canon version of mak’gora, Thrall using magic is not cheating.
The rules of a Mak’gora seem to be different between each Mak’gora since they are chosen and set by the participants themselves. Generally, there are thus no specific rules. There are only two consistent themes in all Mak’gora: once dropped, a weapon cannot be retrieved by either opponent and that the pair must fight to the death or until submission. Magic, for example, has never been stated to be forbidden, and has, in fact, been used in multiple Mak’gora duels and thus seems to be permitted.
My source is the cataclysm lore on it about the duel between cairne and garrosh where they specify you can only use one weapon.
The rule for that is…the rules have to be set before it starts. In that case, they stated “only one weapon”, but in lore there was infact purely magic mak’goras. Even before wow started(for our characters), the horde had gone through multiple of these…and some included magic.
- A popular misconception among the fanbase is that Thrall cheated in his final mak’gora against Garrosh when he used elemental magic. However, there has never been any rule forbidding the use of magic and spells. Moreover, there is a precedent for the use of magic in mak’gora, as both Shagara and Ashra made extensive use of it during their mak’gora. Thrall had also already used magic in the first mak’gora between him and Garrosh, by throwing lightning bolts.
That is a wowpedia editor’s opinion on the matter, it is not an official statement and it has no official source. The claim “there are no specific rules” is a bit like seeing two people moving chess around a board and saying “chess seems to have no rules as the players dont talk about them before the game”. They don’t always need to set the rules down because the general rules of the game remain the same. Though wowpedia is right that killing garrosh didn’t make the elements abandon thrall, the elements definitely don’t care about cheating or whatever, they usually seem more concerned with mundane things like “why cant i set fire to this” or “help me move these rocks around”.
The references to bloodsworn are irrelevant, as its completely noncanon as a comic. They retconned the early comics out of the story a long time ago, RIP Medan.
Thrall had a mak’gora with Garrosh during the Wrath pre patch where there is a large audience. Thrall uses both Doomhammer and lightning magic in front of everyone.
You can YouTube the fight.
it is what it is, magic was actually used in lore. In the case of Thrall vs Garrosh, if you didn’t know…Thrall used magic in the first mak’gora against Garrosh and it was fine:
Like I said, you have to specify what’s not ok to use ahead of time…that’s all. Otherwise anything goes as shown in their 2 mak’goras.
Yes, he has cheated in the past. Incredible. My mind is blown.
Seems you’re just dense
I think all those things about color of the items and levels are just a gameplay factor that has nothing to do with the relative power or skills of anything at all.
Is the neck that dropped from a normal Shadowlands dungeon more powerful than the neck the most powerful titan gave you 2 years ago? Is the green axe found on some world mob in the Broken Isles more powerful than Shadowmourne or Frotmourne because it has more item level? I guess not.
Or are you most powerful than the Avatar of Sargeras or Argus just because you outleveled them? Again, no.
All those are gameplay systems that are in place just because of gameplay progression. How could you justify defeating Kiljaeden in BC and then again in Legion? Or defeating Archimonde in Bc and again in WoD? Who’s more powerful then? Or when? Or when was Illidan stronger, in Black Temple or in Nighthold?
This is so clear that even talk about it it’s ridiculous.
Some people just don’t wanna believe the warcraft movie brainwashed them and is not cannon in anyway. it’s sad their source is a lore-changing movie.
His lore source is the one fight between Garrosh and Carine and screw everything else.
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I will agree that item level, like player/mob level is just a gameplay convenience. Quality is explicitly not. There are real, clear indications that gear besides white is magical so the claim the sticks aren’t magical is ridiculous. KJ they made very clear was stronger in WoD because he wasn’t half stuck in the ground. Illidan they do a terrible job justifying.
Yes, but without the snark, because its the one time they really got into how the system works and the one time the writers actually took the time to answer what it was, how it works and what is allowed. Yes it was a retcon to the previous fight and yes, some non-canon sources have had different rules. They even reference these rules as part of the reaction by people to the saurfang/sylvanas duel.
We’ve had two fights since then. So if the Garrosh vs Carine is a retcon are the two fights after it a retcon too? Shouldn’t we take the most recent source or just admit that rules seem to be based on what the contestants set?
No because they all used the existing rules, they didn’t explain new rules that would supersede the old. Weve also had more than two aren’t there some random ones throughout WOD?
I missed a lot of WoD. The flying thing pissed me off and I’m not invested in alternate reality time travel stories. Took a really long break