No, Atrophic Poison and Devotion Aura stack. One is damage reduction to players, one is damage reduction to the boss.
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Ahh, right. A brainfart on my part. My apologies. Wish Atrophic didnât exist, but alas, I can only purge it from memory, not the game.
- Could say the same for Devotion Aura, which absolutely does get accounted for against Holy Paladinâs healing potential, generally fettering that spec.
But it was played, and it was only time SV had competitive damage. Im BFA was played as well in M+ and pvp but it never had top tier raid damage.
This here is biggest joke or trolling attempt I heard since I said that âpeople couldnât believe how good my damage was as SV hunterâ
Dude get real seriously 
tfq youre talking about?? donât smoke anymore when youâre on forums
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It would be an inevitability if we actually had a raid buff to give.
Hilariously we went from having EVERY raid buff (and aspect of the fox) in WoD to having no raid buff at all.
Literally every other classes got their raid buff back except hunters.
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No, it wasnât.
Here is the warcraftlogs stats for Sire Denathrius.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/26#region=1×pan=1000&boss=2407
SV was the top hunter spec on that fight. And competitive with the top tier specs (only 200 dps behind).
Do you know how many SV Hunter parses there were?
Two.
vs 1,839 MM hunter parses.
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Ok thatâs one fight not whole raid tier. Give me more raid tiers when it was non stop top tier damage.
Even with tier sets it saw mostly play in Anduin fight and ofc M+
Oh, I remember that flyout button quite well.
But, given actual balance, the more you bring to the raid in a capped manner, the more you face diminishing returns (or, a single cliff thereto) that will arbitrarily cap how many of the class we can bring.
Iâd therefore generally rather have high individual performance or active utility, therefore, than passive raid buffs so that if a Hunter friend and I both want to raid together, I donât have to swap instead to the best throughput melee/ranged for the given fight on the basis of âwe already have [the Hunter raidbuff].â
Granted, at least a half-measure like sharing our pet buff to the party at reduced effectiveness (and not affected by AotB)⌠would do a lot for us, especially if weâre allowed one of each. Those at least arenât sheer throughput and would therefore be much harder to tax us for.
And there you have it.
Popularity does not equate to Balance.
This âpopularity contestâ shenanigans these RSV-extremists spout could more readily signify an imbalance rather than good game design, considering the whole FOMO/FOTM craze players get bent out of shape about. What passes as âpopularâ for most individuals, may in fact be unhealthy in the short or long term, whether in terms of diet, or in terms of gameplay.
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itâs truly unfortunate that much of the survival hunter discourse is dominated by people with poor self control who canât help but scream about how they donât like it and how it shouldnât exist. touch grass, or do something better with your time before you become mindbroken like bepples is and let survival hunters live rent free in your head forever
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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/19#timespan=1000
SV top Hunter spec, still 10 times as many people chose ranged.
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In comparison, here are the stats from Blackrock Foundry, which was the last raid tier where ranged survival existed, before it was gutted and then eventually removed.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/7#difficulty=4×pan=1000
Survival Hunter, despite being the lowest DPS hunter spec, was still almost twice as popular as Marksmanship.
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To be fair this is parses not players. One player will have multiple parses (1 per boss fight they participate in each week).
Theyâre still proportional to player counts but theyâre not directly player counts.
Also often SVâs low parse count combined with its tendency to attract a small handful of power users often inflates its position on the logs, because its parsing average is entirely defined by a handful of extremely dedicated players. This often leads to the comedic effect of SV suddenly jumping to the top of the logs by a mile and a half once someone playing SV kills another boss and does relatively well, and then all the WoW fansites go nuts over it for a week before they forget. In SoD this happened when one SV Hunter came and killed Kelâthuzad and did really good damage weeks after it was originally cleared.
The point is still clear, though: SVâs unpopularity is not characteristic of its performance. Most of the time its performance is fine. Just like how most of the time ranged SVâs performance was merely fine; neither unviable nor overtuned. The difference is most of the time ranged SV saw high representation while melee SV doesnât unless itâs extremely far ahead.
In WotLK classic right now SV is not the best spec in the game nor is it very far ahead of MM, yet itâs one of the most highly represented specs. To be fair, classic is a lot more meta chasing than it used to be, BM is hardly fleshed out at all and boring to play combined with terrible tuning, and thereâs no real reason to play MM right now unless you really like Chimera Shot⌠but weâre seeing a replay of original WoTLK of sorts here. The real test will be later on when SV is noticeably behind MM rather than ahead. Nevertheless, it does put to rest the talk about ranged SV always being an abandoned spec which certain trolls here still post, however Iâve long since given up on classic WoW dispelling myths about WoWâs past. There are still people running around âinformingâ people that Thoriâdal was worse than an epic Sunwell bow, after all.
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Also worth noting that as this time, Ranged Survival was in the top half of popularity, being more popular than 13 other DPS specs.
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It had potential higher damage then BM but overall it was still outperformed by BM hunter. And even then it was with certain traits that offered good AOE damage in certain fights. It was never a top tier damage for every single fight
It had decent damage with tier sets and better mobility then MM and it was welcome in BRF. Especially at Backhand.
Ranged SV was more popular then melee SV without question. That is the argument I wonât even start since its the fact. But its played even now enough that blizzard continues to keep it as melee spec. Sadly as handicapped melee spec with current DF version
Itâs the least played spec in the game and ranged Hunters outnumber melee hunters 38 to 1.
Itâs only still in the game because reverting the change is too hard.
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Again what are you trying to prove me by telling me its " LeaSt PlaYed SpeC iN thE GAme"??
Itâs played and change is not that hard. People play it in PvP people play it in M+ ⌠and maybe one day they will bring it back to ranged SV like it was, and I know I will play it even then⌠I know you and many other here will play it only at the start if that change happens and will continue only if it outperfroms other two specs
So if people find it interesting right now Blizzard will work on it. Give SV hunter again good aoe damage like in SL and then check statistic on this third party websites
I wonder what the upcoming future holds for Survival. Knowing Blizzard, they may do some numbers tunning as they have done in the past or maybe have a more serious approach to the spec. At this point, I donât care if we are ranged, melee, or use our toes to do damage, all I want is love and respect for the spec. 
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MM is the overall top parsing spec right now. Only an 8th the parses of BM, which underperforms in all but one fight.
- While, SV, which typically beats MM in only 2-3 fights, is less likely to get a group because âSurvival lolâ and limited melee slots, and canât use Raxx bow for itâs huge benefits⌠still has over a third of MMâs parses.
- Meanwhile, BM beats either only in one fight and only after getting bow and near to BiS, yet has hugely outnumbered the top performer.
By and large, non-FotM players raid on the spec they leveled on.
- And Hunters mostly level on BM, especially when mobs arenât so strong as to overwhelm oneâs pet in multi-pulls, but arenât weak enough to be burst-comboed by MM.
Moreover, this means every Survival parse, no matter how good Survival might be at given time, is dependent upon the partyâs belief as to whether itâs good enough to be taken. Despite earlier buffs and plentiful performance, SV remained just as barred a âmeme specâ for the average player as it had been at Shadowlands start until it was literally dominating MDI and the raider IO leader boards and trade chat finally flipped its tune several weeks late.
- Those parses are also constrained by eventual Razz bow drops, at which point BM currently then beats SV at its own initial strength over MM and BM (focus/ST damage), simply due to how broken Razz bow is and will remain until the upcoming power shift (from gear to base) with its nerfs.
- âŚThough unless curtailed they will more than likely overcompensate, simply putting BM damage to the highest ST in the game even without the bowâŚ
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Heâs trying to overwrite you. He wants players like Bicmex to drown in mediocrity with him. Earlier he said that retail SV players arenât actual Hunters, which would include yourself. He and his ilk hold a relatively poor opinion of you, ignoring your pleas for inclusion.
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Iâm not intimidated by people who claim that current version of SV of sucks. People have to complain about something. If blizzard ever brings back ranged SV, I know I will play it like I play it now. Lowest DPS who cares, I love it. Bad design , f it Ill play it. I complained allot about DF version about SV hunter but I still rock SV hunter.
I loved old version of Demo lock way better then current version, but I still play demo lock only. Even when it was outperfromed by AFF or Destro
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