might as well just hand out the loots.
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I’m actually shocked at how much they nerfed this
SSC and TK are easier than Karazhan and might be the easiest raids in the game up to this point.
hakkar in classic is significantly harder than any of these bosses in 10/10.
P3 better be soon, blizzard can’t have us doing just this for another month. It might kill the game.
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So your saying there will be some clears??
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8/10 of the bosses, and the trash that led to them were mostly time sinks rather than really a challenge, so I’m not upset that they became significantly faster / easier to kill.
Vashj / Kael remain harder than any boss to this point, and harder than most bosses in tier 6, even in their final nerfed form, so it didn’t really make any sense to leave them in their pre-nerf state.
For the 10/10 guilds, the raids consume less raid time and you likely weren’t struggling on any of the fights anyway.
For the sub 10/10 guilds, you might actually get more time on Vashj / Kael as the rest of the raid wastes significantly less of your time. Sure, the end bosses are easier than they were, but they are still harder than almost anything in the next tier, so it really doesn’t make sense to lock the attunements to T6 behind their pre-nerf forms.
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I agree that these fights never should’ve been tougher than T6 fights. I would also have been ok with boosting those fights instead on nerfing T5? But I like to have something to work for. Once I beat something I tend to quit.
M’uru would like to have a chat.
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M’uru also isn’t a “tier 6” fight. It’s more like a tier 6.5 / tier 7 fight in terms of both challenge and the item level of drops in there.
M’uru also isn’t particularly mechanically complex. It’s mostly just a tight DPS check.
If you’re guild is not 10/10 after this week probably should just disband. And hopefully a bunch that do get the kills quit the game.
After months of perfecting strats on the prenerf states they felt much easier than they would have if they launched like this. This is the version that all but one guild killed back in the day. I definitely appreciate the easy farming over the holidays
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saw one guild that was barely 8/10 2 shot vashj despite never pulling her prior.
Saw another guild spend a grand sum of 5 wipes despite never seeing her.
Gorefiend is going to destroy their confidence let alone archi,RoS or illidari council (which they won’t see till it gets nerfed)
It does. It prepares them for actual progression and improving their play so they have the time to clear every week.
It’s not. Most guilds cleared between 2.1 (BT patch when there was some minor nerfs) not the 30% reduced abomination that came out today.
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It is really shameful what they’re doing to TBC at this point.
- Ruined arena scene before the game even launched.
- Made the honor grind obnoxiously long.
- Over nerfing raids in the middle of a phase.
Next on the table is a severely under tuned Hyjal/BT phase, because there really isn’t pre nerfed versions for it like there were for the phase 1 and phase 2 stuff.
The above are just the prominent issues. There is also like 50 other issues that they could be working on that detract from the play experience.
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This is one of the worst decisions Blizzard has made since starting Cata with tougher heroics and then doing a 180 by a total nerf of them. What’s the point of farming an old game for gear? There was some difficulty along with a different sort of raid design that made this worth doing. Not sure I’m going to farm this crap for 2 months, I think I’m done here.
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boohoo now everyone has a chance to get the same gear I have at the end of a phase and they get to keep playing… no fair, they should have to just quit due to a lack of any chance of continuing to play the game…
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Everyone, this person has not done the post nerf versions yet. The nerfed versions of KT and Vashj are easier than Gruul’s Lair now. Biggest issue is making sure advisors don’t die TOO FAST so they can be positioned.
There was no reason to nerf this hard, they never nerfed like this in Vanilla Classic. It makes me not even want to play the game and just let my sub lapse (which it is close to doing).
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Just look at the nerfs as a christmas gift. For a few weeks during the holidays you can stop stressing about time or consumes.
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I still don’t know why they didn’t just nerf the trash.
Give people more attempts on the actual bosses, that’s what people would have actually appreciated.
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The Lady Vashj fight was an utter joke last night. After doing all the hard work learning the fights initially, this super easy mode left me feeling so ungratified for the kill. Yes, the EZ loots is nice and we can now all get attuned and be well geared into Phase 3 raids, but what makes raiding interesting for me is a challenge.
I really wish there was a toggle for pre-/post-nerf states, so you had the choice to raid in whatever mode suits your guild.
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My guildie put it this way: “It’s so flitered boring after nerf tbh”
I agree with him.
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Took SSC down in about 50 minutes last night. It was not fun. In fact, it was pathetically boring.
They’ve effectively made T5 content Kara2.0
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