You can get to 40 (43 in the case of my warrior) in 3 days right now.
you can switch to Venthyr, and grind renowned over a few days, but you won’t be able to randomly say, “I want to try fire or arcane on this dungeon or raid boss.” And feel like your dps is comparable…without extensive swopping of conduits, and then the particular soul bind you are using for fire or arcane might not synergize well with that specialization.
If you go Venthyr, you are, for all purposes, a frost mage. That is the fine print… Unless you go back to Nightfae to play fire… which you can do, but then you can’t randomly play a venthyr frost mage… unless you swop back to venthyr again.
This is false actually. Please stop spreading misinformation.
Venthyr is one the one cov that can play all three specs competitively.
Venthyr is bis for frost
Venthyr is simming equal to Kyrian Harmony build but is less practical for raiding because it’s burst is longer to get off
Venthyr is second best for fire.
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You went from 0 to 40 renown in one day?! 
I don’t understand how that’s even possible. I’ve been actively trying to get my renown up on an alt just because I want to unlock the transmog set at 60 and it’s impossible to catch up past a certain point. As in I literally stop getting the renown tokens from all activities after reaching some kind of undisclosed threshold that seems to be at least 4-5 below whatever is the current cap for the week. Maybe that doesn’t kick in at lower renown levels but that just makes it worse because there’s zero disclosure on these things. Just like we still have no idea what contributes to a Torghast score…
That aside, you are missing a vital piece of the puzzle here and that’s the conduit enhancement unlocks that are gonna start coming in between 60-80 renown. For specs that rely on powerful conduits not having that unlocked will be a substantial DPS loss. Now granted you don’t have to unlock all 6 to be optimized but the potency rows vary between soulbinds and you will at least need to get to somewhere around 70 to have two of them unlocked. So its locking you into a single covenant even further.
It’s just a bad system and even if you have the time and patience to grind it out time and time again after each tuning pass you just shouldn’t have to, you know? It’s like a self care thing for me, I love myself too much to put myself through that nonsense. 
I am glad you are enjoying it but for me personally going from Bombardment to Harmony was like trying to from a smart phone back to a rotary. Again, for me it not so much the inability to do it, it just comes down to not wanting to go through all that frustration because someone didn’t do their job when designing this mess. Plus, it’s not like there is anything to look forward to like a good story for example or a well balanced raid to keep me going through that slough.
For me the best choice atm is to take a step back. I would certain entertain the notion of coming back in 9.2 but I just have zero faith in them rn to make any meaningful changes. Maybe 10.0 (if there even is a 10.0, lol).
Thanks man, I appreciate it. I am going on vacation at the end of the month and I will be overseas for all of September so I wouldn’t be playing anyway but as I said above I seriously doubt I will be wanting to come back when I return home. Although I might resub at some point just so I can come on the forums to complain again! 
How do you reply to different sections of a post/ reply lol?
Anyway I stitched covenants Monday and by the end of Tuesday I was already 40 renown so not really 1 day more almost 2. I didn’t play constantly either. I just ran random heroic dungeons until it stopped giving me renown, then I did torghast and Maw assaults/ souls and daily callings which gives renown, completed Korthia weekly and both world bosses which all contribute to renown and lastly ran low level keys. Then I finished the campaign for kyrian which gives loads of renown and I’m currently sitting at 49.
With the quote function, just highlight the part you want to reply to and it automatically gives you the option to quote it.
Two days is still super fast. On my alt, once I reached renown 49, the game stopped giving me any more renown tokens. I got the last one from killing the Maw world boss and then after that it didn’t give me another one for killing the rotating world boss, all my callings had suddenly lost their renown token from the reward window and it wasn’t just a visual glitch either because I turned one in and got nothing, and nothing from any of the other usual methods either.
It seems that there is a secondary cap for characters who are behind so that if you started late you can’t ever catch up to the current cap. If that’s the case it’s obviously super lame and really should be advertised so people don’t waste their time doing content they wouldn’t normally do just because they want the renown tokens.
And then wait 2 more weeks to swap again? I think you are missing the point of what people want to do with their characters and playing multiple specs.
For example, this week in M+ arcane would probably be better since it’s a sanguine/tyrannical week which are neither of frost’s strong affixes. So the problem with your suggestion is that for me to swap to arcane I would have to wait until Tuesday next week to complete the quest which means the affixes will have already changed, thus defeating the point of swapping.
I can’t possibly see how you think that it’s “only 48 hours to swap” when that 48 hour straddles the weekly reset. Without knowing in advance what the affixes are next week there’s literally no way to optimize for Arcane and Frost depending on which is best for that weeks affix lineup without taking a leap of faith that you won’t be screwed with the wrong spec for 2 weeks.
Thus it is safest to basically stay 1 spec at all times which kind of removes a lot of fun in the game being limited to 1 out of 3 specs. There’s no good reason why the system should be this punishing for people wanting to play all 3 specs on their class.
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Go Venthyr.
Venthyr as arcane with soulsiphon is equal to Kyrian harmony but not as versatile
Don’t call it misinformation until you try it.
Sims do not show what a real picture looks like in mythic plus. Try playing nightfae frost, then go venthyr and compare your frost DPS numbers in mythic plus.
But before you go venthyr. I want you to do an m+ run as a fire mage for night fae. Then go venthyr. Then do an m+ run as fire after you’re venthyr. Compare your overall dps.
And tell me, after you’re venthyr for fire and frost, try switching back and fourth in one day. Let me know how easy it was to switch your conduits around.
Thanks
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It actually is.
No one is disputing that NF is best for fire, Venthyr best for frost and Kyrian best for arcane.
That doesn’t mean the second option still isn’t competitive.
You can’t play a “venthyr frost mage” as nightfae. that’s not wrong,
The main topic of what this post is about is that spec swooping for 1 raid fight to the next, or one mythic plus to the next, even without switching covenants makes me feel trapped. If you want to use 1 soul bind for 2 specs you have to switch conduits to make it remotely viable.
It should automatically remember off spec conduits.
The game should be fun and not create walls where there doesn’t need to be.
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Your every obtuse.
Each spec has a ranking the covenants are.
Example being,
Arcane
1- Kyrian
2- Venthyr
3- Necrolord
4- Night Fae.
Fire
1: night fae
2: Venthyr
3: Kyrian
4: nexrolord
Frost
1: venthyr
2: necrolord
3: Kyrian
4: night fae.
If you want to play multiple specs your best bet is Venthyr because it is 1 or 2 for all 3 specs.
Sure, let me just spend 150k gold and the next 4 weeks running choreghast to get that. Totally viable option…
I think the main point is that it shouldn’t have to be the solution. It’s a problem that Blizzard themselves created, after months of players telling them not to tie spec power to convenants.
I’d warrant that there are lots of players at all skill levels and content difficulties that would love the option to swap specs mutliple times in a raid, or between dungeons. Blizzard over the past few expansions has deliberately gone out of their way to make it more and more difficult for players to have options.
I miss the days where spec swapping was a thing. I loved the idea that I could change my spec to suit the fight style. Got a pure ST fight with limited movement? Hey, I can go Arcane. Got a cleave or higher movement ST? Hey, look I’m Frost. Fight with lots of adds? Oh look, Fire.
It’s genuinely sad when the ‘classic’ versions of the game actually have more flexibility for players.
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150k gold isn’t that much….
Not to mention you can always buy the mats and get it made for even cheaper.
I agree but in an effort to help the OP not feel trapped I have them a working solution
I’m one of them and I 100% agree with you.
Yes venthyr can play Arcane reasonably well and even sims on par, but it has a completely different damage profile that makes it much longer between burst windows which makes it worse in practice by enough to be unfun to play around IMO.
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Are you kidding me? 150k gold is a lot of gold for people who have lives and play this game for the combat and not mind numbing gold farming or AH camping. Doing a calling every single day without missing any days at all (which is a test of willpower itself) you would get 150k gold in about 2 months. 150k gold IS a lot of gold for the VAAAST majority of players, and you’re being disingenuous if you claim otherwise
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No. I work 65 hours a week and have a family. Find a better excuse than putting forth zero effort.
Gold is literally thrown at you in this expansion. If you’re broke you’re either lazy or hardly play the game.
150k isn’t that much whether it is for you or not is a completely different story.
Why are you so toxic?
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Too much exposure to Blight?
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