Yeah, in the case of RDF I think it’s pretty likely that it’s publicly supported. However, I don’t think that game design should be a democracy.
Fair enough. But when Blizzard says they got a lot of feedback saying players didn’t want it … well… I gotta wonder, you know?
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You’re correct.
In this instance where we lack a centralized poll from Blizzard or a well supported credible source we can still draw inferences from available information and make decisions based on it.
The main issue i think is that blizzard claimed that the RDF change was community driven or community choice when so far we have not seen where this information was gathered or came from. Which makes players either happy or mad because nobody has come forward credibly saying they received this question from blizzard.
If the decision was made based on passively monitoring player discussions on the forums or in game, as some have assumed, then it would to certain people be seen as incorrect or just an excuse to not code and add the feature into the upcoming game.
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Yeah, what he articulated much more eloquently.
I also have an issue with this. It’s clearly popular, more-so than dual-spec was, so I’m very curious what kind of information, if any, that was based on.
/shrug I’m not sure why you think there was a major drop in subs corresponding to LFD release, but I’m sure you can provide the blizzard publicized sub counts to support it.
I’ll guess the 3 people on Twitter that Brian happen to see.
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Actually, death knights is what caused players to quit. They were so broken that millions of players eventually quit the game because of it.
Do you not realize how pointless and silly this entire discussion is? You don’t know why those millions quit. I don’t know. No one knows. Even Blizz. And this whole debate is just a distraction and waste of time.
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Can you quote me where I said that?
So that would be a no.
I think if we boiled it down that the disappointment of the pro-RDF people is based on being told they were asked when they weren’t. its not out of character for blizzard sadly and it doesn’t foster confidence when things are done behind closed doors and then placed on players as their choice not blizzards.
I think that’s one long run on sentence but I’m doing this between data entry so forgive me please.
Im aware companies do not have to be transparent to consumers just shareholders but not choosing to be transparent is a rough call when they have this history of repeatedly giving players the monkey paw versions of what they’re wanting.
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If Brian Birmingam were posting in this thread right now, he would be the primary target of my criticism.
There are valid criticisms for RDF and convenience/QOL as a concept, but “it’s unpopular” sure isn’t one of them.
Not only were players not asked, in typical Blizzard fashion the devs said, “This is what you want.”
It’s amazing how clueless they can be. Or conceited. Or both.
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THIS!!! I’ve said it before in one of these threads, but it still reeks of “You don’t know what you want, we know what you want” old Blizzard.
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How so? It would only be people interested in your elite meta “social” groups not using LFD. Or are your anti-LFD peers so unbearable that there can be only one of you in a given group?
Nah. Not if you have enough friends and a reason to form your own group. I assume “we all hate RDF” would be a good enough reason.
It is harder though. You don’t have to agree with the other side but there’s no reason you can’t empathize with them.
Many players want and will use RDF instead of LFG chat or whatever alternate methods, so the people that prefer not to us RDF get kinda shafted. They either have to suck it up and use it or deal with fewer players reading their LFM/LFG requests.
It’s unfortunate that this is one of those cases where both sides must necessarily exist at the expense of the other.
And I would say if the proportion of players who genuinely want to use chat for pugging and not simply because they have no option is so low that it can’t support forming groups it’s not worth supporting in the first place.
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Yeah, this is a viable counter-argument, but it’s hinged on popularity, which idk if you remember isn’t something I value a great deal.
My basis for dual spec was “I don’t want it” and now my basis for RDF is “I do want it” which is all I need to provide in my feedback to Blizzard. But when I try to consider the greater good it gets very complicated very fast.
/shrug I find it even less complicated than same faction BG’s, which don’t even have an opt out option.