I need LFD. It is one of the primary things that I do!
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That’s irrelevant. Classic Wrath is not meant to be a one-to-one recreation. We’ve already embraced the #Somechanges philosophy years ago at this point. You may want to consider staying up to date with the development process of the game.
Yeah… you do realize that’s the exact criticism that those asking for Classic servers levied against the retail game, right?
Again, this is irrelevant, as we’ve already embraced #SomeChanges.
#SomeChanges says you’re wrong.
LFD will not be in Wrath Classic. If that’s the gameplay you prefer, Ion confirmed it will be in Dragonflight so you may want to check that out.
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lmao. You state your opinion as fact. You don’t like RDF, fine. Don’t use it.
Don’t like that response? Too bad, it’s just as useful as your “g0 pL4y r3tAiL”
Denying others a QoL addition that was in the xpac. Good on you. Bravo!
You didnt actually counter any point made with a substantive argument other than your opinions. But, how could you when you believe you are right and anyone who disagrees should go play retail. LMAO.
Again, bravo!
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Also, just like Wrath classic, you cherry picked parts of my statement, used what mattered to you and what you had to say without addressing the followup points i made in the post. Bravo!
It’s a troll; that’s what it does. If Blizz announced tomorrow they weren’t removing LFD it’d start trolling the anti-lfd side.
Just put it on ignore and move on.
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Honestly, the system retail has for forming mythic dungeon groups has been an obvious compromise solution for so long now I’m surprised they haven’t taken it yet. Keep cross-server out of it and it’s just a much better version of the LFD channel
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None of us can use it. It’s not in TBC and it will not be in Wrath.
That response doesn’t matter, because it presumes that we even have the choice to use it, which we don’t because, as I’ve stated previously, it is neither in TBC or Wrath, currently.
I’m not denying you of anything. I don’t make the game, Kellendriya.
I did consider your points. I simply disagree with them. And, apparently, so does Blizzard. I think I’ve done a fine job dismantling your points and showing you why they are wrong.
I don’t really care what games people play.
I addressed all of your points and dismantled them appropriately. What point do you personally feel I did not address?
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lol, this is the best you guys have now after classic destroyed all of your trash talking points. Go do some gdkps and mage carries bro
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You may think so, but then again, you seem to think highly of yourself.
Still cherry pickin’, and trollin’. Guess it won’t matter, seeing as it sounds like retail LFG WILL drop with Wrath, or some form of it. Good job anti-RDF trolls.
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The reason you can’t answer this question is because I’m not cherry picking. I’ve addressed and dismantled all of your points appropriately.
Blizzard said they were open to feedback. But calling other people “trolls”, strawmanning them, and not reading what they post isn’t the type of feedback that will convince Blizzard, evidently.
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away from this whole thing of changes vs no changes, it’s a fact that “Removing the random dungeon finder will leave all the current abuses” which is happening now…
-reserve on every items/taking gold to join/leader removing people out of the blue/people doesn’t socialize at all and only pick the highest gear/low lvl dungeons is dead/all dungeons are dead after few months of expansion release, All those issue’s is not healthy at all and the best solution is LFD which will not just eliminate the ugly things happening in tbcc now but it will give everyone a fair chance getting into groups, as it does help anyone anytime to get groups.
there is no sane player would hate on the looking for dungeon tool Unless they’re doing real money trades Or they’re anti social selfish people.
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Honestly, they probably will. They’ve stated that they’re looking at it for inspiration or something so I’m pretty sure they’ll just use that with the cross-server bits taken out.
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I mean, now that they’re consolidating servers, RDF-whiners pretty much have no argument.
No more servers with too low of population where the prospect of forming a group is, according to them, so bad that RDF is some kind of saviour.
Done.
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I’m on mega server & Still asking for LFD because it’s awesome feature to have.
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Which isn’t a valid argument with any substance other than your opinion, unless you’re some hitherto unknown gaming master who is part of some secret cabal that decides what games are MMORPG, it’s literally your opinion. Argument not dismantled, heck, my statement wasn’t even addressed…next:
This again is YOUR subjective opinion based on YOUR opinions about what is or isn’t an MMORPG and generalizes all players. Also, Blizzard did design their game to be a MMORPG, but over a decade of dev changes/corpo money grubbing hurt the game storywise, development wise, and two to three generations of people grew up or old playing WoW and changed, thus some of the game did. Doesn’t make it NOT an MMORPG, it’s just one you and a few others don’t like.
Argument still not dismantled, so maybe the next one?
You deciding what’s irrelevant doesn’t mean you’ve defeated my argument with any sort of real substance and in this case you’re once again putting your interpretation of something forward as fact. Which for you it might be, but what I stated is very relevant to what Classic Wrath means to me, and is…check this out, a FACTUAL STATEMENT. So not only are you still interjecting your opinion as fact, you’re yet again, suggesting that your opinion has somehow defeated the point of my argument. Not only that, but you make the assumption that I’m not current with what’s going on in the state of WoW. Next
Please provide source material and MMORPG creds that show you and every other person claiming WoW isn’t an MMORPG is an accredited member of the MMORPG classification association, and that you and everyone that “asked” is the end all be all of who gets to decide what is or is NOT an MMORPG. (which by the way, I was a person asking for classic, and I never once asked because it WASN’T an MMROPG, but that’s just me) So while this really wasn’t a point to be dismantled, you still didn’t really define anything other than there’s a vocal minority of you WoW purists who want Classic, but will accept changes that benefit you, but not the playerbase as a whole, cause “community!” lol Next
As someone who likes to throw facts around, it sure seems suss that when a fact is thrown your way, it suddenly becomes irrelevant…just like #nochanges became irrelevant once SoM died. Yeah, calling my point irrelevant actually doesn’t MAKE it irrelevant, again, that’s your opinion, and laughably you’re using the “bUt w3 alRe4dy #somechanges” doesn’t mean anything because as you’ve stated time and again, Blizzard has already implemented the changes so there’s nothing to do about it. Whereas RDF or some variation of it, can be changed or not changed as it hasn’t “released” yet. Still looking for that great dismantling you spoke of…next.
It probably won’t, not in any form that resembles the original, but good on you for assuming you’re the end all be all of all things Wrath/Blizz on the forums and you definitively that it won’t be in any part of Wrath Classic whatsoever. LOL still didn’t dismantle my point but just stated another opinion as if it were fact, which factually, until Wrath drops you can’t actually say is a fact. But it’s adorable that you have so much confidence in your opinions as facts. And you also very politely pretty much said “if you don’t like it, go play retail” so yeah, you’re one of “those” people.
Yeah, again, maybe, probably, but not a fact till it actually drops, so still looking…
Which you so carefully cherry picked to:
Hence me calling you a cherrypicker because you literally pretty much told me previously that if “that’s the kind of gameplay…” Well, it’s above and you wrote it, so yeah…and this was your response? LMAO
Man, you got me good there bud, just destroyed! Maybe you should just let everyone on the forums know that you’re secretly on the dev team and you troll the forums to alleviate some of the stress of working at Blizz. Oh, wait, you don’t work there? Then you don’t know anything for a fact. So most likely it won’t be, but I’m holding out hope that some form of it will be. Whew, this looking for your straight case closed counter points is exhausting, you should hurry up and just defeat me once and for all! Annnnnd next
No you don’t but you sure seem to throw your opinion about what Blizz will be doing or won’t be doing an all manner of other things pertaining to the game as facts. So we have it on the record, you don’t make the game. And you can only speak for yourself when it comes to your opinions about said game just like everyone else can. Glad you understand, old chap! Tip tip! Cheerio! Next, and it’s a doozy…
LMAO, I point out that you didn’t actually counter anything with a meaningful substantive counter point and your response is…lol. And so does Blizzard? Nah mate, you need to step away from the Sunwell Kool-aid BRUV! Blizzard made their decision based on MONEY. And they’re using the voices of people who want to keep Classic a GDKP nightmare for a large chunk of people who want to play it. LMAO that’s the funniest thing I read all day. And then you state you’ve done a fine job of dismantling my points by what? Telling me your opinions and saying I’m wrong because you think so? Dude, you shoulda been the captain of my HS debate team. Ferocious you are! lol
For someone who doesn’t care what games people play, you sure are all over the forums making your opinions about this and that heard. Me? Just here on the LFD boards trying my hardest as an OG wow player to help Blizz see the err of their ways and let LFD exist as it was in, you know, CLASSIC WRATH.
Continuing the saga…
Um, I take back my recommendation for you to be captain of the debate team. Sorry, not sorry. You threw opinions at me, and seem to be under the illusion that they’re facts. Whatever helps you cope, my man…uh, my persyn.
Homie, I was in bed asleep. I work overnights in a network op center. Sorry I wasn’t at your immediate beck and call to respond to your, lol and this is true, almost IMMEDIATE response to my reply. You might be a nice someone (not sure what your pronoun is?) but I ain’t your SO and I ain’t at your beck and call.
Yep, which is why myself and many others are dealing with the likes of commenters such as yourself who like to throw opinions around as facts, keep it true to the spirit of the game, but nah some changes can happen, trolls. And yes, I’ve looked you up on the forums, you have quite the delicious reputation, don’t you. When you used the “go play retail” albeit politely at me, you became the troll. And my persyn (again, you really need to let me know your pronoun if we’re going to continue to dance) your entire counter points were the literal definition of strawman-ing. I’ll post the definition so you can learn and be a better member of this community.
noun
noun: strawman
an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent’s real argument.
Take care, this will in fact be my last response to you, my heart just broke when I opened up the email where you were clamoring for more of my wonderful discourse. Bless you, and I hope you’re never in any group I’m ever in, cause I’m pretty sure you’d ninja and say “what, it’s part of the game!”
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Just go away.
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Yeah, sadly, you’re one of those that are missing the point. It’s not just low pop servers that have group finding issues, it’s large and mega servers as well. LFD literally hurts no one. It doesn’t do anything but allow more players to reach end game content where 90% of the expansion story is. I still have friends I talk to when I log on that I met in Wrath through LFD. None of the arguments against LFD hold a candle to the massive QoL improvements for at minimum 50% of the player base. Less time sitting in Shatt poring over LFG chat or add-on is more time spent playing the game. I’m on two mega servers and I haven’t run a single dungeon on any of my toons. Why? Because I can’t find people in the MASSIVE wall of spam, or the tank/heals wants gold/res items, and they drop. Which starts it all over again. And the endgame content. Please…GDKP is the biggest toxic addition to wow more than LFR ever was. So, by all means, explain why removing LDF is a “good” thing for the WoW classic community, you know, besides the fact that for whatever reason, YOU don’t like it.
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No, they design it around RMT and boosting to keep subscriptions from said bots high.
It may not be in Wrath Classic, nothing is final until they release it…
I am curious, how will not adding RDF into Wrath fix the already lack on community or social engagement in TBC? I spam LFG chat as a healer…I get an invite…I sit in said group for 30-60 minutes while we wait for a tank (no conversation is had, we all go about PVPing or farming)…we get said tank and wait for 2 people to go to the stone and summon the rest without any words uttered. We then complete said dungeon and no conversation is had. On my mega server, there is a pretty good chance that I will never group with these people again. Is this the aspect of social community you are worried about?
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LOL you act like players weren’t zooming through TBC Classic dungeons without LFD. Maybe if you were talking about the real TBC I’d agree but TBC Classic is filled with the same players who speed through M+ in Retail.
LFD doesn’t mean the dungeon will be done fast it means a player knows that they’ll be getting into a Dungeon group in a reasonable amount of time even if they aren’t playing a meta spec.
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It hurts my experience of the game and therefore I don’t want it.
Thankfully Blizzard understands why it hurts the experience and removed it.
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