You mean like how bm players said the same sh*t last xpac?
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This thread is off the rails.
We are all Hunters, many of us play both or all three specs. I for one do all of my current open world content as a BM, when I run dungeons I swap to MM because I enjoy it’s play style more and for awhile we did a lot more damage which in turn helps my group succeed in our runs.
The fact is, they adjusted an ability combo which resulted in a dps loss for the class. Does it suck? Yep. I think as a community we should move past this “is it a bug or not” and start to discuss common sense practical solutions to bring us back to a place where everyone is satisfied.
Look I don’t want to be fire mage/boomkin level dps… is it fun while it lasts? Yup. But you constantly have a target on your back in regards to people wanting you taken down a peg. I’d rather be in a comfortable spot where I can do appropriate dps as a dps spec without feeling like a nerf is coming any day now.
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don’t give them any more ideas pls
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You must have selective memory, BM dominated nearly all of BFA and every BM hunter was like “just roll BM lol idiot”.
Personally, I don’t care if someone wants to play BM in Shadowlands. Not my cup of tea though, if it becomes the dominate spec in 9.1, I’ll reroll mage and be 10x more effective at everything lol.
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Yes, because some MM players said that, all of us are to blame, and you’re perfectly justified in spitefully rejoicing in our suffering. /s
I mean, back in BfA, some BM hunters rejoiced in MM sucking all expansion. “Who wants to turret anyway?! Just go play a caster already!” By your logic, it was perfectly justified for us to glory in BM sucking in Shadowlands, no?
Or maybe, just maybe, we can realize that another spec sucking doesn’t help us. Personally, I’d rather none of the specs sucked. What’s the point of having 36 specs in the game, 24 of which are DPS, if only around 10-15 of them are actually properly balanced and useful at any given time? If your preferred spec is balanced poorly, you’re pretty well just SOL (ie. all of BfA for me).
Personally, I wasn’t rejoicing at the start of SL because BM sucked. I was rejoicing because MM was finally good, because I could finally play the spec I enjoy without most of the community telling me I sucked merely for having that spec active.
Still, one critical thing here is that in both BfA and 9.0.0, we at least had a spec we could swap to and do well with. Right now we have zero. That’s a serious issue. It’s not just our spec that’s hurting right now, it’s the entire freakin’ class.
So get off your spite train already. Your own logic even justifies the exact behavior you’re complaining about (which is a really good sign that said logic is fundamentally flawed).
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You’re talking about “my logic” at the same time that you refuses to read what I said and refuses to acknowledge my main point.
You’re literally IGNORING my main point (people mocking BMs and not caring about balance issues later crying for hunters to unite and protest against balance issues after being affected).
Your comparison with BFA has nothing to do with what I’m talking about, because even knowing very well that MMs were behind BMs, there were no situation like the one I’m describing happening back in the days. You’re talking about something else.
Anyway, the same hypocrites that were mocking BMs and now are asking “everyone to unite” are showing full support to your strawman fallacies… So who cares?
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He didn’t though. His point is that your point is relying on an assumption. That the same people who want the class to succeed were the same ones putting BM players down.
Those two players rarely actually overlap. We could turn your argument on its head and make the same point in reverse about BM players telling MM players to just swap during BFA.
That doesn’t suddenly mean you or myself were doing that, right? Your point is relying on a generalization that is making an assumption of others and their stance.
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I ran CN last night and wth Blizz. I went from 4k+ single target to 3k my aoe dropped by a lot more damn fix us blizz.
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Wrong. I already explain what my point is 2 times, the mere fact that I need to write it a 3rd time means you guys are being dishonest.
I’m literally talking about these people who was mocking the balance issues and saying that BMs deserve to be doing so much less damage than the meta classes, asking now for “everyone to unite” against the same balance issues, but only after being a targeted of these issues.
There was never anything remotely close to this in BFA, stop using this already refuted stupid argument.
Also my point is not relying on any assumption. The posts are there for anyone not dishonest to just check the facts. The ones that did what I’m telling you they did is the same ones now starting the “let us unite” threads. It is a VERIFIABLE fact.
Instead of acknowledging that these people have indeed done what I’m saying (not a subjective opinion, it is an objective fact that can be verified) you choose to go all strawman. Sure, let us “unite” in the hypocrisy and in the fallacies…
First, you are incorrect. Second of all, can you find any post where I or Kaedys have ever told someone to just swap or put them down for playing BM?
If you feel like you’ve had to explain yourself three times now, perhaps it’s not that others are being “dishonest” but you’re not explaining your position well enough.
My point is you’re conflating the two. Let’s go back to what you posted.
Were all MM mains telling BMs to go screw themselves? Were the vast majority even? No, they were not. You can of course find some people who did do that, and they are wrong for doing so. That doesn’t mean someone who suggesting we unite to have the class fixed is a hypocrite or that they were putting you down to begin with.
The two are comparable actually. While in BFA there was at least one decent spec at all times, you still had people back then who were doing exactly what you were accusing Kaedys of.
Lastly, I have no reason to be “dishonest” as you’ve put it. You can go through my post history if you really want. I main BM and have since Legion. Prior to Legion I used to play all three specs frequently. I want the class as a whole to do well, and I believe he does too.
Quite literally I did not ignore it, I acknowledge that yes they do exist. And I also believe they rarely overlap with the same people who want us to “unite”.
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Except there were plenty of MM hunters, including myself who said before MM was nerfed that BM needed buffs and needed attention. I didn’t go beyond that and didn’t spend a lot of focus on it because I’ve never played BM beyond leveling 1 - 60 as BM in Vanilla and then have been MM ever since. I wouldn’t know the 1st thing about improving BM currently, but I did say BM needed buffs before MM was nerfed.
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Right. Which was one of my original points I was trying to make to him. He’s under the assumption that people only care now that all three specs are bad, when there have been plenty of us who care well before then too.
Don’t worry I’m sure they won’t mess up survival with their redesign in Legion. Oh don’t worry, I’m sure they will fix survival to be more competitive in BFA. Well at least they will fix survival so that it will be good in SL. We have been waiting years for a survival fix yet Blizzard just threw us in the trash and forgot about us 
Honestly, I’m pretty sure the devs just don’t like MSV and are seriously regretting flipping Survival to melee. They can’t figure out what they want to do with it, but they also can’t stand the pride and PR hit of capitulating and flipping it back to ranged. Honestly, a lot of the last few years worth of design decisions can be explained by Ion just being flat incapable of admitting he was wrong about something.
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I actually really enjoy melee, never tried ranged when it was in the game, and don’t really want it to be reverted. I would rather they make it a fourth spec;
Actually, I believe that’s largely where the hunter community has settled as well (myself included). I’m just saying I think the devs regret it and wish they’d never swapped it, but can’t figure out how to swap it back without causing one heck of an almighty ruckus.
That said, I can see why they are reluctant to add it as a fourth spec. Even though RSV was a thing hunters used to have, adding it as a fourth spec would immediately spawn an unending slew of threads asking why hunters got a fourth spec and the other 11 (well, 10, druids already have 4) classes didn’t. And I don’t think they are yet willing to try to bite off adding a 4th spec to 10 other classes, either (and given their balancing record, I doubt it’d really add much to the pool of playable specs anyway >.>).
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Clearly, you can’t understand what you read.
So let me be clear. I don’t play MM. I don’t enjoy it. I think it’s a hot mess. I would love for BM to get buffed.
The change to MM was clearly an intentional nerf to their overall damage. Lowering the burst and total damage of the spec was clearly the intent of the change. There is zero possibility that Blizzard did not intend the change to have the effect that it very clearly has had. And Blizzard clearly went out of their way to specifically not point it out as a bug fix. You clearly have an opinion. Good for you. But it is very clear that nothing to date supports your opinion.
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All 3 specs still bottom tier after the mediocre buff
Eh, MM certainly took a swing upwards from it. Compare the 1-week ranking with the 2-week ranking.
From the point where Wowhead reported on it, where MM was 19th out of 25, we’re now 16th. Still a far cry from where we were, and still decidedly in the lower half, but we definitely gained some ground.
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