??? Shadowbringers is considered to be one of the best RPG stories of all time, with Emet-Selch often being heralded as one of Final Fantasy’s best characters.
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We can, because we recognize that it’s a Final Fantasy game before it’s an MMO.
What happens in Final Fantasy games? Exposition and dialog with combat in between.
That is what some people want out of an mmo-rpg (story and characters). The graphics in WoW are nothing to write home about either.
The go-go-go/timer/e-sports is not what everyone is looking for.
Are you honestly failing that hard at reading comprehension?
pretty good at fishing upvotes on this forum OP, touche.
The problem is, what I think is “best” and what you think is “best” are entirely different things.
Or even whole communities. The WoW community thinks that PvP and Mythic are the “best” while the FFXIV community thinks that story and music are the “best”.
It’s almost like, I don’t know, both games have their foci and players whose interests align with said foci gravitate towards them and enjoy them?
If you don’t like lots of dialogue, you’re not going to like XIV, it’s a story-heavy focus.
If you don’t like PvP and button mashing, you’re not going to like WoW.
It’s just that simple.
RE:Soloing Raids: Well, obviously, there are raids that cannot be solo’d, but thankfully like I said, you can still get groups for all of them and the majority of the time, people don’t care about the gear from said raids as the majority doing those raids are only there for Tomestones or XP. But if you absolutely must solo a raid, then get at least 2 friends and go in there, 1 person to act as an entire raid group to bypass insta-kill mechanics and/or mob spreading mechanics, etc.
Not like WoW does any better, I mean, I still hear tales of Legion raids not being very soloable.
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I’ve played FF14 for 4 years. If you like story on a Single player type with some online interaction game, then FF is for you. I always go back to WoW though since I like making alts especially Pandarens. FF14 is not alt friendly at all, most achievements does not transfer over and the combat is just meh. I do Ultimate raids every now and then but it’s still not as fluid as WoW’s.
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Final Fantasy raiding scene ruined any chance i would ever raid in wow. Just the ease of getting into it. The boss fights are fun, and don’t waste your time. The music is amazing, and it just feels great.
Wow raiding might be “harder” but it is boring, and that matters more at the end of the day.
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Thankfully, there’s very little reason to want an alt, unless you really want to play as different races. There’s fewer races in XIV, and they are not radically different like comparing a Vulpera to a Worgen to a Draenei to a Tauren to an Orc to a Human to a Goblin.
XIV focuses more on having more classes that have varied playstyles, and they let you have all of these on a single character.
And they give you Fantasia potions that you can change your race with, one or two for free in-game and then a small fee on the cash shop afterwards if a new race comes out that you really want to be but don’t want to redo everything all over again.
Not saying this is “better” than WoW’s model, but it certainly has its pros (and cons).
Also, the fact that everybody can have every job, including crafts, means that crafts themselves can be more intricate. You’re not limited to 2 per character and thus aren’t forced to make 5 alts just to cover all the crafts. This way, you can design an item, like an epic piece of armor that requires items made from 4+ different crafts and not have players complaining that alts are necessary to even play the game.
This is one of the things I absolutely adore about XIV: Everything except for Savage and Ultimate is done through the automatic group finder.
I don’t have consistent play schedules, and I don’t really have time for trying to get into any kind of organized guilds to find groups for manual matchmaking content.
Auto matchmaking is a necessity for me to enjoy any sort of instanced group content. WoW falls way short, offering me only easy Heroics that don’t give much in the way of rewards, and LFR which has the same problems.
Also, the Roulettes. I love the sheer variety of dungeons that I might get anytime I log on and play XIV. I’ll Q up for roulettes for Tomes or XP and… instead of 5-6 different dungeons I might get… I’ll instead draw from 60+ dungeons. One never knows what it’s gonna be when they get the popup. Sometimes I get dungeons that I can barely remember and have to re-learn the boss mechanics all over again because I’ve not seen that dungeon in years.
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I know I’m crazy but I actually have 4 alts on FFXIV, 2 Samurais as Hrothgar and Miqo’te. A Lalafell Ninja and a Lalafell Black mage. Idk, it was a chore to have 4 alts on FFXIV lol. Why I like alts? I like having different races and character names on different jobs.
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And that’s fair. The game clearly was not designed around that, though.
It feels like a chore, because it goes outside the scope of the game design’s.
Just like that dude who leveled to max level without joining a faction as a Pandaren by picking herbs in the starter area for hundreds of hours probably felt that was a chore. He was doing something the game clearly wasn’t designed for.
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Yup!
My husband wanted me to do mythic dungeons with him, and he was all like. Ok first we need to do easier ones get use to it. Once we build up your logs, and score. Wait score? My gearscore? and he explain raider io and all the things I need to do to prove myself so making groups and getting groups would be easier. I laughed so hard, and told him nah I am good. I will stick with FF14 for group content.
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My thoughts exactly.
I hate the idea of having to “prove myself” using out-of-game and third party software to keep track of my progress in a “social standing” type system.
People laugh about China’s Social Credit system, but that’s basically what Raider IO IS.
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Well yes that’s true. FFXIV and WoW are both good online games, I think I just lean more on WoW when it comes to long term content and combat so I keep coming back to WoW. And I also think that I’ve done almost everything in FF, I have housing, Augmenteds, Final tiers, glamour collection etc. A little bit easier than WoW imo
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And that’s fair, too!
XIV was designed around giving you time to take breaks and play other games to avoid player burnout. Yoshi-P knows that burn out is a serious problem and he designed his game around you running out of things to do every couple months or so, so you can take a break for a month or two.
It also allows newcomers plenty of time to catch up within an expansion, despite the long story that you need to go through to get there (and there’s no real rush, you’ll still see all the story, all the raids, etc if you wish at whatever pace you wish).
WoW, on the other hand… only time you get a break in WoW if you wanna do any sort of raiding at all, is like… a few week window between tiers, or the month or two near the end of an expansion. It wants all of your time, all the time.
XIV gives you daily roulette rewards, and a few beast tribe quests that reset daily.
WoW gives you all kinds of time-gated content. Now, lately, they’ve gotten better with the Emissary system being on a 3 day schedule, but even that sometimes is difficult to avoid FOMO. The rewards are so huge, that missing one is a huge setback. 1500 rep is no joke when world quests only give 75 with the occasional 125 token.
EDIT: And just so players don’t get to Exalted and decide to be lazy, they added the Paragon system stacked ontop of that so that you feel compelled to keep your nose on that grindwheel, because if you stop repping, you don’t get the miniscule chance at mounts and pets out of the Paragon boxes. Meanwhile, XIV gives you currency tokens from doing the daily quests and you use those to BUY stuff (not RNG!) from a Vendor. You can choose to stop anytime you want, and the stuff you can buy can sometimes be worth something on AH, but otherwise, get your mount(s), pet(s) and other vanity you want, and stop. Unless you want a small tiny bit of money or XP on other jobs.
EDIT2: And to be honest? This is what prevents me from playing WoW much to this day. To avoid FOMO and to avoid ruining my life with the whole mess, I choose not to engage with it. I barely touched Shadowlands content because I didn’t want to get sucked into that kind of grind and because I was just tired of feeling compelled to do something daily. Maybe someday I’ll peck at it after it’s outdated content and the boxes take 5 minutes to do instead of 15, maybe. With my human, for the rep bonus. Otherwise? Nah. I’ll hard pass on that grindwheel.
And now to add information this person failed to leave out (intended I’m sure to make it look good)
So here the real truth:
Your only allowed a break from the game to play other games IF you do not own a house. If you want to own a house (and that if you even get one…ha…ha…ha, what a joke) you are only allowed 45 days before you lose the house. You only have 35 days after the house has been destroyed to claim your housing items and gold. After 35 days, you lose those. This includes anything housing wise you bought with real money off the their cash shop. It’ll get destroyed.
Also all previous year seasonal event items that MATTER (mounts, outfits, housing items, etc) go in cash shop. No previous year event items can be bought through NPC’s in the game.
I’m done with this topic because the amount of lying that going into making XIV look good is a joke. People are going to find out/figure out in their own way that the game not all the glamour you or anyone else hypes it up to be. Just as WoW is not all the glamour that WoW players hype it up to be.
I close with this:
Both have their pro’s and con’s and anyone looking into playing XIV, do your own research before buying the game/paying sub.
And just for fun:
Ask yourself why these people who are so in love with XIV are here on these forums and in WoW over playing their beloved XIV 
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i played healing classes in FF and it was so boring.
The story was great, but the graphics were washed out looking and the zones were not fun to look at.
Also, end game was boring.
No one spoke in dungeons while I was leveling ever. Silence even when saying hi. I know that happens in WoW sometimes, but it doesn’t happen to me nearly as often as in FF.
shrug
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Housing issue is a problem I agree, but you get apartments and don’t use this system. Also, from what I was told, This system is turned off so they not been using it for awhile now.
Can we earn cash shop stuff in wow? I’m just wondering. The cash shop gives players a chance to get it that missed out on it. That is a nice middle ground of adding content to the game that if you miss due to real life, and really want that item. You can still get it.
Please be done, because you have a very strange hate for the game. You make some good points, but just like last time. You deflect to “botting” when we talk about Gm making the game less toxic.
Because ff14 encourages players to take break, and Ff14 tick rate is bad. So the combat in wow feels better.
Group content, Raiding, Content patch updates, and new ideas. Music FF14 beats wow hands down.
Wow is being carried by how it feels to play.
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Why would you ever pay for a mod?
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I got caught by this, loved Bloodborne, hated Sekiro. To be fair the games from the outside looking in are very similar, you likely need to be told by somebody in the know that they have a few, but very significant gameplay differences.
For me, I was not a fan of how much of a hard-on Sekiro had for it’s timed counter system. In Bloodborne I was pretty decent with a party but had so many other options available to me to play the game with but the out of the box experience with Sekiro is “parry or die, the game”
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