Raiding has always sucked and the gear in wrath has no resilience, so it’s crap in pvp. So, the ony reason to raid, is to get the gear to raid. I find it ironic, because people don’t actually want to raid, they just want the gear. They raid to get the gear to raid to get the gear, lmao. Raiding is stupid. That’s why Blizz in retail made pve gear relevant in pvp, because there was no other use for it. Well, I guess transmog, but most people just wait until they outlevel the content to go back and get the transmogs.
That guy said in the thread that arena in Wrath is toxic, lmao. LMAO, yes it is along with anything else requiring a group. It’s all toxic. I don’t know how you all can make friends in the cesspool of give me give me give me…
OMG, it’s hilarious how people min max the fun out of it. They crying about Naxx being too easy. ROTLMAO!
This guy in chat today was like 25 Naxx must have achievement, and 3700 GS. I almost spit out my drink laughing so hard. I can only figure he’s trying to get people motivated for his GDKP service later, because that chat text was just stupid.
OMG, playing solo is way more fun than all the toxic crap grouping together. Organized grouping that is. Random grouping with people you don’t care about is great. That’s how it should be, because people are toxic and horrible. Caring about them will only disappoint you.
The best PvP gear “should” always come from doing PvP. Outside of farming gold and maybe random bgs I don’t see how you expect to even play classic. You can talk up retail but once master loot gets put back in gdkp/token runs is all your gonna see. I even assume tokens will go down when new content releases because so many people will be selling them.
Yeah I gotta agree lol, I’m the guy who made the Arena is toxic post and I’m realizing although being in a guild can be fun that in general it’s hard to find a good guild and it’s even harder finding people in the community that wants to be friends or be social, too many people only look after themselves and it feels like an empty shell of a game compared to launch in 2019.
You’re still playing with other people when you use RDF or random BGs.
You’re still playing with other people if you’re buying their goods from the auction house, even if the seller is offline.
You’re still playing with other people when you’re questing on your own and see another player run by even if they’re on a different endeavor than you.
I agree with your point of view and am a similar kind of player as you are. We could easily get together and be part of a guild with other like-minded players us…
But I’d prefer we just found ourselves through random BGs and/or RDF.
Rated solo shuffle in wotlk would’ve been amazing. Pvp balance is already nothing like original, pve balance is nothing like original.
What else could you expect from a dated game though, imo find a guild that refuse to read guides and work with them moving forward, otherwise the course of classic was set years ago when world buff stacking became the assumed norm.
I remember at the end of wotlk a crew of raiders I played with formed up with some pvp nerds glad/duelist level to run 25 mans in cata. At the beginning of the expansion we split into separate 10 mans and the pvp group STRUGGLED with the normal modes, pvp and pve has always been apples and oranges, I think its funny how as information becomes more accessible people start to downplay pve content as if its some sort of enlightening concept that pve is significantly easier when there are a multitude of guides to handhold each and every decision you make
I wouldn’t say playing solo is better, if you have a bunch of IRL friends to play with and do PVP or dungeons while talking in a discord call or something, it beat solo play anyday but yeah…
This is true people in random pugs give absolutely zero crap about other in general. but supposedly we should go out of our way and try everything we can to befriends people who sometime get mad when you try to start conversations instead of speedrunning the dungeon.
I solo-quested my Horde Death Knight in the original WotLK, all the way to 80; and then started playing BGs, and ended up with sweet PvP gear.
Once I got my DK geared for PvP, I simultaneously solo-quested a Warlock, and then a Holy Priest to 80 as well.
All of my solo-ing was brought to me by the destruction of my Horde-Khadgar guild No Mercy, in TBC— brought to me by two differently but equally toxic guildies who pulled the guild apart, with both purpose and intent, and by controlling accident; each of these guildies wanting to pull No Mercy in two divergent directions. Neither guildie showed any mercy to me…
I avoided PvP almost altogether in Vanilla, despite a really great cherry experience, killing a 26 level Dwarf Hunter in Silverpine Forrest, when the original Qthulhu was level 18. I could never have made that first HK without the help of a Priest and, if I remember correctly, a Mage. These were also the same two players who convinced me to roll a Tank, one Sunday afternoon, in June, 2005.
All this is to say, I believe I understand the players who want to avoid Raiding. Tanking Raids on Q was either an excellent experience or it was abject hell; Raids never seemed to feel like just a fun way to play. I heard more shrieking in Raids, and even in dungeons, in Vanilla WoW than I ever heard in any RL “social” enterprise, baring genuine warfare. And I mean, from my own side of the battlefield. Feels funny to say that, because especially as a Horde BG Healer, I got nothing but encouragement and kind words—even in the less thoughtful BGs, among the new(‘_’)bie PvPers.
I feel *solo was suggesting non attachment. You still group with others but have no intentions of creating any sort of bond with them. Really, it’s all that’s required to fulfill the MMO label. Nothing wrong with it at all.
Indeed. Many people play WoW alone. They obviously can’t complete all of the content but if it makes them happy, have at it. There isn’t a right or wrong way to play this game. I know folks who never reach cap, and just RP.
I had a lot of fun questing and running dungeons in Wrath Classic, but my Retail transmogs aren’t going to farm themselves. The Alliance quests in NR are top notch, especially the amberseed quest and Mr. Floppy’s Perilous Adventure.