I mean, glam is FFXIV’s true endgame.
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You took time out of your day to type all this crap instead of playing that game that you like better? Talk about angry dedication.
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Wrong, actually. End-game content is content usually unlocked at max level and then can only be performed once your character progression has completed.
This means raiding.
Activities like housing, GS, and professions are more casual content that is unlocked earlier in your character progression but can be progressed to the endgame (and continued from there).
Yea, and so is housing. I would consider those activities people can do at end-game. But not end-game content. I can start messing with my house and glamour as soon as I unlock the requirements.
I think people saying FF14 has a lot of end-game content is asinine when even the more hardcore FF14 playerbase will say they are very shallow in that regard.
Look in terms of longevity, DRS is going to die out fast. A 48-man savage with no real reward isnt going to last at all.
Not true at all. You don’t get to decide what counts as end-game content to other people. You can only define that for yourself. For you, those don’t count. For me, other things count. Rep grinds, professions, alt-jobs, exploration, glams, etc… lots of things count.
And fortunately, your opinion on what counts really doesn’t matter at all to anyone but yourself.
But those are available once you unlock them (which usually is not at end-game), so therefore – they arent endgame content. They can be done in the endgame but they arent THE endgame.
Like how people dont consider rep grinding in WoW as end-game content.
To be fair on this point. I would say FFXIV’s raid environment is different not barren. Looking at savage/extreme completion rate is like comparing normal raiding to mythic raiding. Most people just don’t care. They’d rather do other things then stress out over killing the next hard mode boss.
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I understand that, but this is also with aspects of SE cutting out top end raiding (ShB not having a second ultimate – basically meaning cut content).
FF14 is one side of the spectrum, and WoW is the other. However, they both suffer from the same issues. If you dont participate in the focus of development, then you will feel very ostrasized.
I mean to be fair, this wasn’t something they wanted to do. From my understanding they were already 70% of the way done with the next ultimate but because of schedules being pushed back because of the whole virus thing, they don’t have time to finish it and work on the next xpac.
Endwalker was already pushed back several months as I assume they were originally going to aim for a late spring/early summer release like Shadowbringers.
That is fair though. There are things both games could learn from the other. At the end of the day, they’re going to appeal to different audiences regardless.
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See i’d give them the slack on that, if they already didnt delay it once or twice before.
Why the two can not really be comparable. I could go on all day about why I prefer FF over WoW, but that’s just my preference because after 9 years of Heroic raiding I was done with the endgame raiding scene by WoD. FF has just enough raiding to keep me occupied and then there is plenty to do besides raiding. Housing, all the job weapons, Eureka, Maps, Blue Mage, Bozja, etc.
At their core they are both MMOs, but gameplay wise they are night and day
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OP isn’t happy with this game at all. All they do is make complaint threads on various alts. They would be better off actually playing the other.
There is no reason for games to be made into cc of each other. Give people some choice and then have the courage to choose the one you prefer.
This is the core of the discussion here, really.
The point is not to say one is better than the other… that’s a futile discussion. But there are certainly things that each game does well that aren’t catered SPECIFICALLY to the core focus of the game.
For example, WoW is far more accessible, from a hardware quality, standpoint. Their bottom tier of settings runs far better on far more computers than FFXIV. I would argue WoW’s approach to addons is better as well, even though I tend to prefer not using addons much… it is great that people have such freedom to customize.
While FFXIV does a much better job on driving that instantaneous positive feedback loop - between more impactful animations and a stronger connection to your character. Additionally, FFXIV fosters a much friendlier atmosphere by encouraging players to play with people who are doing content for the first time.
None of the things here are the types of things that are SPECIFIC to the type of game they are. Improving animations wouldn’t make WoW less focused on the e-sport competitive style, and improving customizability wouldn’t make FFXIV any less targeted towards its own playerbase… but they would be things that would, by most perspectives, improve the baseline experience.
It doesn’t matter if they’re available before that. It matters if they’re things that people choose to do after they’ve hit max level. Again: You do not get to define end-game for anyone but yourself. It’s really that simple.
Endgame content is anything people choose to do at max level. That’s end-game content. You don’t have to participate or like every form of end-game content… but if Bob hits max level and then all they do is rep grind all of the alternate reps in the game… rep grinds are end-game content to them. If Jane chooses to raid at max level, raids are end-game content to her. If Ibrahim chooses to do nothing but pvp at max level, pvp is his end-game. If Lisa just wants to find the perfect gearsets to create glam/transmog for showing off their character in town, then that’s end-game to them.
End-game for you is defined by what you choose to do at max level. But end-game content AS A WHOLE is everything anyone could do at end-game. And what defines good end-game vs bad end-game… is just the answer to this question:
“How many people, upon hitting max level, continue to feel engaged in the game long-term by the content that is available?”
That’s the long and short of it.
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