They are ruining marksmanship because of M+ players

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Let’s get to the facts:

  • M+ players only use the pet in assist in full automatic autoattack mode
  • the pet in assist causes problems and wipes in the dungeon or raid due to a probable error on the part of the hunter who blames the attack system of the pet he chose.
  • the devs’ solution is not to improve the pet targeting system but to remove it to please this category of players.
  • they are ignoring other players who are the majority and like to use the pet because they need it to solo, farm, complement xmog, etc.
  • pvp players who use the masters call and roar of sacrifice on themselves and pvp partners are ignored, to maintain slow and heal debuffs on the target.

So to M+ hunters(n haters):

  • improve your handling of the pet: a good tip is to create macros for some shots with “/petattack [@target]” and leave the pet in passive.
  • ask devs for solutions to improve everyone’s gameplay instead of just what they think is good for you.
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My understanding was that M+ MM hunters run Lone Wolf exclusively.

Because of that they need to summon the pet for lust. Which was a source of pain for them.

I agree that M+ was/is the “tail that wags the dog” so to speak.

Personally I would rather they:

  • Leave MM as is, with regard to the pet
  • Remove Lust from the Hunter completely
  • Make Heroism/Bloodlust BASELINE for all healers

Making Hero/Lust baseline for heals makes the whole choose a class for Hero/Lust situation moot. Guarantees Hero/Lust for every single M* Combo.

It is one step towards getting to the final M+ class homogenization that is going to happen. You know that this is coming eventually anyway. Why not start the process now?

Edit - As was pointed out below, my first two items on MM are… mutualy exclusive. So I added a qualifier to the first one!

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Or just make lust baseline for hunters. This would solve the problem entirely.

It would allow BM and SV to run whatever pet they want while allowing MM to run no pets while in M+. Win/win.

Instead we get the standard Blizzard monkey paw.

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You have zero clue what you are talking about.

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“They are ruining”
The PTR isn’t even live yet. How do you know this? Do you have a crystal ball? Reading the patch notes and then hands on playing are two very different experiences.

You know this how?

Play BM if you’re just using the pet as an easy mode?

Pet utility continues to exist for MM.

The changes have nothing to do with pet attack/assist issue lmao.

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I don’t think they’re doing it for M+ Runners so much as some developer on the hunter team has probably had this as his/her ideal for their hunter since as far back as WOD. This is the third attempt to remove pets from MM after all. Blizz has been desperate to push the “Ranger” spec instead of just making a new class for like, 5 or 6 expansions now. IT just keeps backfiring on them when they try.

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M+ has ruined healthcare in this country

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I know it’s certainly going to be ruining my preferred playstyle of gun-focused combat while assisted by my pets, since they’re removing pets from MM.

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in before “Just Run BM!” while happily ignoring that BM and MM do not play the same.

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Correct.
BM has gameplay focused around it’s pet, MM does not.

:smiling_face:

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I don’t see how they can make a full Class out of the Ranger concept without just being a copypasta of current MM.

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BM hunters assist the pets.
MM Pets assist the hunters (and can be optionally turned off entirely for those who want the petless fantasy)

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You now have melee hunter, pets do everything hunter, and Legolas. The hunter that uses his pet as a distraction/pursuit tool while focusing on their own skill for killing at range is no longer a thing.

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if the problem is bloodlust, go to the ah n buy a lot of drumms from leartherworking, don’t need to do this stupid change to the spec.

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Well now those are mutually exclusive.

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The problem is bloodlust. The solution is just giving hunters blood lust instead of giving it to their pets.

Instead we get this garbage.

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A lot of people have suggested just bake the pet utility into the MM Hunter, and change Lone Wolf from being the talent pick to Pet being the talent pick for a minor DPS loss. For some reason this is “unacceptable” to the anti-pet hunters even though they could just…not take the “Take your pet” Talent. Especially if that talent was a dead end talent with no connecting nodes.

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I always thought that all tanks should be the ones with Hero/Lust and all healers should have the combat rez.

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I see what you did there! I will go back and revise/extend my remarks!

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Well, I’m not 100% myself either, but maybe a tech based range, a search and rescue ranger (healer ranged class?), and then, i dunno, some third spec for the sniper fantasy? It’d be nice if there was more than one class that got to use guns, bows, and Crossbows though.

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