There's too much Elune in the game. What?

Due to a certain spoiler from the TWW alpha about Elun’Ahir, I started hearing more and more often about , so-called Elune fatigue. Namely, people say that Elune takes up too much screen time and she’s almost everywhere in the story right now.

I don’t understand it at all.

For me, Elune is a welcome and Very Needed break from the endless cycle of Titans/Void/Light mythology. She has been with us since Warcraft 3. She is one of the oldest pillars of Wow cosmology, but her presence is hardly noticeable and even less used.

No matter where we go, we always come across some titan facilities or remains of the Old Gods, of course Light always follow them. However, people are annoyed by the small amount of Elune compared to the huge attention Blizzard gives to the three above? At first let’s analyze how often the Real content of Elune actually came up in the game itself.

  1. Legion

Elune’s first bigger activity was cinametic in Val’sharah, which is the point from I think we should start follow Elune’s activity.

In Legion we have zone of Val’sharah, two raids and dungeons, pillars of creation and Artifact Weapon storyline focused on her. Which is quite a lot of content. In subsequent patches she doesn’t appear at all, the narrative focuses mainly on titans, demons and the army of the light. I don’t think Suramar counts as mainly Elune zone. Yes, we have a lot of things related to the moon goddess there, but numerous other threads and conflicts kinda hide her presence.

  1. Battle for Azeroth

After the Teldrassil fall we see the night warrior quest with is very heavy Elune focus. The army of the black moon fights on warfront for retaking Darkshore. But after that we have nothing. No dungeons or raids. In 8.2 and 8.3 we had zero Elune stuff. Tyrande appears shortly in the epilogue refusing to sign the peace treaty.

  1. Shadowlands.

The most obvious thing is Ardenwelad where, like in Legion, we get a questline with Ysera. People say this is Elune’s zone only because the Winter Queen turns out to be her sister. Which is strange logic to me. Of course Ardenwelad is related to the night elves and Elune, but call it Elune or night elves dimension? No. I can’t imagine anyone from the NE cast, outside Malfurion ending up there after death. Tyrande and Shandris would be fits much better in Bastion. Maiev, after some time in Revendreth, would definitely end up in Maldraxxus.

Besides, Maldraxxus is literally the place of origin of Forsaken. Bastion gives you a human body no matter what race you were in life, but a few Elune quests proving the zone’s bias?

Elune isn’t even the main plotline there. Zone story is divided into three acts. Defeating Drust, helping Bwonsamdi and search for former night warriors. Elune takes up 1/3 of the zone’s lore, she doesn’t have it exclusively. Outside of this forest you won’t see any mention of Elune. If you don’t choose Ardenwelad as your covenant, you’ll see Elune content 2 maye 3 times throughout the entire expansion. We have zero Elune-centric dungeons and raids. Nothing in Korthia or Zereth mortis.

  1. Dragonflight

In Dragonflight, we finally have decent Elune content in the form of patch 10.2 and one quest in Valdrakken. She doesn’t have any dungeon. Almost all content of Ohn’ahran Plains is focused solely on centaurs. Nothing to do with Elune in 10.1.

This may be hot take but Amirdrassil raid has a similar situation to Suramar. The whole concept of the raid at first glance was focused on duidistic/Elune the ending spoiled it for me by completely focusing on Azeroth and Aspects. Wellspring of life where raid started was another Titan outpost.

  1. The War Within !Spoiler!

In TWW we discover the roots Elun’Ahir which are mentioned in Emerald dream book. And apparently that made people angry. The roots. With whom we spent maybe a few minutes.

I mean, we have a colossal light/shadow crystal above us. The most numerous NPC groups here are Earthen (Order), Nerubians (void) and Arathi (light), the main theme of this expansion is Void vs Light. A topic that has been going on since the very beginning of WoW. We know that the titans will return in the worldsoul saga. We learn here about the new empire of light, Xal’atath preparing another Void invasion, but small subplot about Elune is something people are tired of?

( I also want to mention the books where we touched Elune lore. Although these are just extra content outside the game and 80% of players have no idea about them, I want to be fair and mention them.

Before Bfa we got short story Elegy where Tyrande and Elune are extremely important to the story of Teldrassil fall.
Before SL, Elune and Tyrande arc is a secondary topic in Shadow Rising.)

I get it, people are worried that Elune content is gonna be reserved only for night elves. But when Blizz finally give us neutral Elune content without a single NE people are still angry. So what if Night Elves are Elune’s favorite race? The Horde druids can still use her power. The Draenei were the chosen race of Sargeras and then Na’ru. So I can say that the Na’ru/Light content is just a Draenei story?

Knowing Blizzard with all this criticism, they will sooner stop writing about Elune and we will be only left with Titan stuff forever.

For the last 4 exspansion Elune doesn’t get a huge amount of attention and is never related to the main plot outside of creating Amirdrassil. She and her champions never fight directly with Zoval, Legion, N’zoth or even Fyrrak. But why do so many people think otherwise?

In my opinion, the cinematics are to blame for this. Since it’s the most eye-catching way of conveying content, not surprising that people look at it the most. Since her debut in Val’sharah in each expansion we get cinematic related to Elune.

  1. Legion: Ysera Death
  2. Bfa: terror of darkshore
  3. SL: For Teldrassil, Ysera reborn, Sylavans vs Tyrande, By our hands.
    4: Dragonflight: seed of hope.

As we can see, the largest number of Elune-related cutscenes took place in Shadowlands. At that time, criticism regarding the excessive use of this character also began to grow. However, ironically, Elune herself has zero influence on the main story. She never took part in the war against Jailer apart from Tyrande vs Sylvanas. Let’s be real she’s useless. Which is surprising compared to how many cutscenes she got in this expansion. More often I saw Jaina and Thrall helped us in Maw/Oribos/Korthia, and fought against Jailer in Zereth, than Tyrande. It looks like the writing team didn’t communicate with the cinematic team at all. Interestingly in SL we don’t have any Titan, Light or Void content, which helped Elune shine even more, but she’s still unnecessary to the overall story.

So my question is why are people so negative towards Elune presence? Why they say she takes up too much space?

I’ve heard some comments about people being bored with Void due to Ny’alotha terrible ending. Or titans due to their omnipresent on the dragon ilses. But none of them receive such harsh words from playerbase as Elune which, compared to them, gets so little attention.

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I don’t really have Elune fatigue but moreso Nelf fatigue.

That said, I would assume its more that this setting has a ton of aspects it refuses to explore, in lieu of going back to the same old wells time after time rather than specific issues with Elune in particular.

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I never get tired of new lore, whether it’s about trolls, night elves, Elune, Pandaren - anything really. I’m excited to see Metzen back on the Warcraft team, and I’m eager for more lore in the next few years.

So bring on the Moon lore :sparkles: :crescent_moon:

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Where there’s Elune, there’s nelfs and I’m tired of them, honestly. I hope they at least make in an Alliance quest and not force the Horde into this crap.

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That’s why I’m glad that Harronir will take over. We haven’t seen much lore about Elune other than from the night elves point of view.

As for the fatigue of night elves, I don’t think they are overused… compared to humans :unamused:. But, I’m still glad we don’t have any night elves in The war within

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I’m fatigued from both night elves and Elune, which are thematically inseparable to me. And because of this, I’m already preemptively not looking forward to the Harronir because the last thing the game needed is another branch of strict isolationist nature-worshiping fairfolk except this time they have itty bitty tusks and maybe paws on their feet.

I get that Elune is important in the setting. But she’s never been important to me, and it’s especially disappointing when we’re coming off the heels of two expansions in a row that could’ve had a strong shaman presence yet didn’t, while both made room for Elune even when she shouldn’t have been necessary to either of them.

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I feel that one fan issue with Elune is that she has no clear counterpart - there have been calls for An’she to appear almost solely to fill the role of ‘tauren/Horde deity’ so they don’t have to deal with the ‘night elf/Alliance deity’, and I think there are plenty more Horde players who feel similarly but haven’t dedicated the time to identify and champion a Horde equivalent.

I guess, I don’t feel like Elune has been overused, so much as many other setting religions have been underused. The Light may show up plenty, but it’s kinda like all that human oversaturation - it shows up, but it rarely means anything. Rarely does the appearance of a priest or paladin do much to reveal new understandings of the Light or reveal how a new event fits into or shapes their culture’s religious views. Wild Gods and Loa are split between so many characters that each individual one gets fairly little focus, and much longer spans of time between that focus. And, as mentioned, those poor shaman seem to have been largely forgotten about.

Elune has the advantage of being singular - any development about the Elunite religion is thus a personal development for Elune, and deepens the personal relationship every Elunite character has with Elune. That ‘personal’ aspect will make Elune feel a lot more present and developed than any generic ‘Light’ development or any religion focus that gets split between multiple demigods.

Personally, I want it all. Night elves discovering Elun’Ahir and deciding what it means to them. A human bishop, a draenei vindicator, a tauren Sunwalker, and a blood elf Blood Knight arguing over what this Hallowfall crystal could be and how it fits into their home religions. More Loa quests like the Zul’Drak quest chain with Har’koa - maybe focused around the Darkspear’s core loa instead.

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Just one xpac without a nelf zone please.

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This is pure speculation on my part but maybe the constant theme repeat could be because from a corporate perspective of reusing assets and already familiar/known concepts?

It’s just much easier and faster for production than have to create new lore with new models or assets…maybe?

Lets face it, meeting the demands in time of over 7 million WoW consumers can’t be easy… (IMO)

Our only clue about the current state of An’she is the Tauren legend about sun and moon in the war against the great darkness. During this fight, An’she was injured and his sister has to constantly take care of him.

So the conclusion is clear, to get to the An’she first of all we must develop Elune more.
[:crescent_moon: = :sunny:] \ :nerd_face:

She was given so little screen-time that there was no opportunity to even mention An’she.

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Don’t have a big problem with Elune except how they have a universal power making the NEs the chosen race.

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I just hate how every expac has to have elune and the nelves in it lately, i’m so sick and tired of it, atleast if it were a less exposed alliance race i could be happy for my friends who play alliance.

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Because Elune stories are generally Night Elf stories and the fatigue is from a sense that the Night Elf story had been done to death for three expansions, and that Tyrande and Malfurion going on thier first honeymoon was to signal that we’d let the Night Elf field lie fallow for awhile.

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Judging from your extended post, I get the distinct impression you are somewhat challenged to think outside your own box.

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Since she’s basically confirmed to be a Life version of a Titan she sounds incredibly boring. Why did Blizzard feel the need to make a Titan-like pantheon for every magic school? Titans weren’t even that interesting to begin with.

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My unproven headcanon is that World Soul + Particular type of magic = Ultimate entity of that respective power.

World Soul + Void = Void Lords
World Soul + Fel = Whatever happened to Argus
World Soul + Order (what a dumb name for a magic type) = Titans

That particular choice seems to of been Danuaer. Who knows how it will be addressed now.

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Perhaps what we see of the Winter Queen, Primus, Archon and Denathrius are all Aspects of Greater Cosmic Beings placed inside Robots in the same way the Night Warrior and White Lady are both Aspects of Elune and the same way the Dragon Aspects are all Aspects of Azeroth itself(Vyranoth makes a point of how Azeroth’s power is not Titan in nature)!

The Titans not being Gods like the other Pantheon Members wouldn’t have such Aspects despite their great power.

In otherwords Pelagos is like a Titan of the Death Pantheon while the rest of the Eternal Ones are outright Aspects of Gods!

Didn’t you hear. The light and Elune are the only Religions that matter.

No, there’s not enough Elune if anything. Legion, with the wondrous grand Temple of Elune in Thal’dranath, was only scratching the surface.

I expect Midnight to delve deeper into the worship of the High Elves and when/how they stopped worshipping Elune in favour of who or if they still worship the Mother Moon Goddess.

It goes without saying that silly/primitive nonsense like An’she or the Earthmother or whatever fool name that false idol’s got shouldn’t even be entertained as the Tauren are wrong.