There's a sickness in the Alliance

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@Donoman-malganis

Am I a fake horde player now? I must be. I spend the majority of my time on horde characters but I still want alliance to succeed.

Them beating back the Horde after every advancement and saving them again it’s not succeeding?

Boy, I sure would love for the Horde to “lose” like that.

@Hamstar-draktharon

That is not correct.

I’d gladly take the Void elves and kick the Nightborne straight into Stormwind if I could.

[Konkka-wyrmrest-accord]

Oh no! Horde player not rude! I am an Alliance victim and must insist that the Horde and Blizzard hates me!

@Midare-area-52

I’d gladly take the Void elves and kick the Nightborne straight into Stormwind if I could.

Please don’t. I don’t want geriatric elves.

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@Konkka-wyrmrest-accord

Please don’t. I don’t want geriatric elves.

They could use the company of kultiran, maybe they’ll learn to eat, cuz they sure overdid it with the diet to be beach body ready… and hey, your side seems to adore elves, so one more couldn’t hurt, right?

[Hamstar-draktharon (Hamstar)]

Well it was clearly “We gave alliance the Horde #1 model, so we better give horde at least something back”.

Also VE are now Alliances #4 race at 120 (and quickly closing in on becoming the #3 race). They are nearly as popular as then next two highest allied races combined.

[Konkka-wyrmrest-accord]

It would hurt, it would hurt alot.

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@Hamstar-draktharon

Well it was clearly “We gave alliance the Horde #1 model, so we better give horde at least something back”.

Eh I don’t know if that was the rationale, but it was a weird pairing considering that, as you said, they were given our most played (base) model.

@Hamstar-draktharon

Also VE are now Alliances #4 race at 120 (and quickly closing in on becoming the #3 race). They are nearly as popular as then next two highest allied races combined.

But they’re a “failure” because they’re not just blue eyed blood elves.

@Konkka-wyrmrest-accord

It would hurt, it would hurt alot.

Hey, it hurts me to be in the side that will never see dwarves as playable, everyone has to deal with shortcomings… and no I’m not thinking about gnomes.

[Rhielle-sentinels (Rhielle)]

@Midare-area-52

I hope you realize you’re wasting your time, it might not take long until the rest of the brigade comes in to “debunk” you with a lot of headcannon.

Fair. I even said I’d not turn this into a Helf thread. I need to ignore the Helf stuff. lol

@Donoman-stormrage

The Void Elf model isn’t that different either though

Gave you three differences and one makes it pretty darn easy to tell the difference between the two.

@Pocketbuster-nagrand

Horde get a rebellion storyline with an altered Barrens zone to represent the True Horde threat. Alliance get to spy on the Horde to see what their storyline is with a robot cat.

Don’t even know what this means. Alliance got a bunch of altered zones and Hyjal was pretty much all about Nelfs.

@Pocketbuster-nagrand

Garrosh is responsible not only for half the storyline in MoP, but part of the storyline for WoD with him opening the Dark Portal.

Sure. Let’s just not even mention how most of Mists storylines we’re about the Sha, not Garrosh. And let’s also ignore all of the zone stories in Warlords, too.

@Pocketbuster-nagrand

Warlords of Draenor was an expansion entirely about the history of the Orcs.

Wrong. Horde side it was. Alliance side it was all about the Draenei.

@Pocketbuster-nagrand

BfA races announced has Kul Tiran, who Blizzard are so lazy on making they delay the release of the already completed Zandalari to work on them.

It wasn’t laziness. KT were a brand new rig, created from scratch. Horde has no unique rig made from scratch for any of their AR.

@Pocketbuster-nagrand

Allied races for Alliance mostly fanfiction made up on the spot, or had little to no interest.

KT and DI have been in lore forever. Lightforged and Velfs were new creations. Mechagnomes aren’t a new concept either. So you’re wrong about “mostly fan fiction.” And “little to no interest”? Purely subjective and not facts.

@Pocketbuster-nagrand

Horde are all requested races from the expansion they were in.

People wanted Lightforged. People wanted Mechagnomes. People wanted KT. People wanted Datk Irons. Sorry you decided to ignore the existence of those conversations.

@Pocketbuster-nagrand

BfA starts again with a new Horde leader driving the main narrative, with the Alliance once again playing a supporting role.

… literally all about the Nelfs in the beginning. And Alliance keeps winning everything. But sure, totally all about Horde.

@Pocketbuster-nagrand

So whens Alliance getting that?

Considering there’s absolutely no reason for such a thing… never.

You’re ignoring half of what exists in this game to further your own personal issues with things. Your facts aren’t facts at all when you just ignore the existence of everything else.

[Donoman-stormrage (Donoman)]

I’m not talking about the direction of the story (which I’m really not a fan of), but just the general feel of playing the faction in the game.

There aren’t as many players.

There aren’t as many players doing endgame content. (Huge discrepancy)

The story quality in general hasn’t been great. Alliance didn’t have a clear reason to be in Uldir, and the war campaign is too focused on Horde problems.

The new allied races for them aren’t that interesting and weren’t a popular request.

Too much human only representation.

When you combine all of these it really hurts the popularity of this faction. They need something that will intrigue players, and mechagnomes are not the answer.

[Pocketbuster-nagrand]

@Donoman-stormrage

When you combine all of these it really hurts the popularity of this faction. They need something that will intrigue players, and mechagnomes are not the answer.

Mostly I’ve just heard about Alliance players saying they are going Horde because their wives are going to be playing Vulpera.

[Donoman-stormrage (Donoman)]

I’ve heard plenty of that as well . Horde doesnt have a small cute race to attract that certain crowd, and now it’s actually happening…

I’m so nervous for the alliance. I feel like Vulpera are going to wreck the dwindling population.

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@Rhielle-sentinels

Fair. I even said I’d not turn this into a Helf thread. I need to ignore the Helf stuff. lol

I mean, can’t really blame you, the nonsense it’s hard to ignore.

@Donoman-stormrage

I’m not talking about the direction of the story (which I’m really not a fan of), but just the general feel of playing the faction in the game.

That’s a you issue.

@Donoman-stormrage

There aren’t as many players.

At level 120, there are 1.967.655 Alliance characters…

@Donoman-stormrage

There aren’t as many players doing endgame content. (Huge discrepancy)

…and the fact that they’re not interested in endgame is something they could solve with ease if they just, you know, started doing things.

@Donoman-stormrage

The story quality in general hasn’t been great. Alliance didn’t have a clear reason to be in Uldir, and the war campaign is too focused on Horde problems.

Your only gripe it’s Uldir? Seriously? The quality of the story it’s something a middle schooler could do, heck, a middle schooler could do better…
And sure, miss the fact that The Alliance beat the Horde back at every step it took and saved the world from it, again.

@Donoman-stormrage

The new allied races for them aren’t that interesting and weren’t a popular request.

This is another “you” issue, since liking them or not it’s entirely subjective. I’ve made it clear I don’t like Nightborne… do I get to call Alliance bias over it? No?
And is not bias that they didn’t give you a copy pasted Horde race, it’s common sense.

@Donoman-stormrage

Too much human only representation.

And you realize that is bad for everyone, both Horde and Alliance, right?

@Donoman-stormrage

When you combine all of these it really hurts the popularity of this faction.

Majority of the playerbase doesn’t care about the story at all. Alliance racials are fine as shown by pvp ladders and the championship… so maybe, just maybe… it’s a matter of focusing on doign things on your side instead of peeking your nose over the fence and claim that side it’s greener?

[Pocketbuster-nagrand]

@Donoman-stormrage

I’ve heard plenty of that as well . Horde doesnt have a small cute race to attract that certain crowd, and now it’s actually happening…

I’m so nervous for the alliance. I feel like Vulpera are going to wreck the dwindling population.

If Void Elves weren’t there and Nightborne had a better done rework, I think Alliance would drop like 50%.

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@Pocketbuster-nagrand

If Void Elves weren’t there and Nightborne had a better done rework, I think Alliance would drop like 50%.

Sure, ignore the 8.7% of draenei, the 27% of Night elves and the 28.3% of Humans…

[Grayphus-nemesis (Grayphus)]

@Pocketbuster-nagrand

At various Blizzcons they’ve openly mocked the Alliance mutliple times. Something they never dared do to the Horde in 15 years.

New alliance battlecry suggested by a Blizzard member: “Have Mercy”!

I’m still waiting for Hazzicostas to say, “if you want better racials, the alliance is waiting for you”, to see the horde’s mature reaction!

Like many things suggested by alliance, blizzard always understands the opposite and inverse that ally says!

An example is the bee mount!

The alliance asks to have a unique, special Kultiras mount like the one there is for the Horde in Zandalar!

What do devs understand? We want the mount to be unique to ally, while the horde mount can be used on both sides!

What’s the point that some horde players have to farm something from the opposite faction that they can’t use in the horde?

That’s not what we asked for but that’s what blizzard did!

[Donoman-stormrage (Donoman)]

@Midare-area-52

I mean, can’t really blame you, the nonsense it’s hard to ignore.

You both aren’t really arguing any good points though, so yeah you can save it for the high elf thread.

@Midare-area-52

That’s a you issue.

? I was actually agreeing with you stating that I don’t like the direction of the Horde always getting beat down, but that’s not what I’m focusing on when I’m talking about the issues I have with the alliance as a faction.

@Midare-area-52

At level 120, there are 1.967.655 Alliance characters…
…and the fact that they’re not interested in endgame is something they could solve with ease if they just, you know, started doing things.

https://www.worldofwargraphs.com/pve-stats/races

https://www.worldofwargraphs.com/pvp-stats/races

Characters created is not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about people actively playing the game. That number isn’t easily tracked, but feel free to go on a 120 alliance toon, open the groupfinder, and then do the same as Horde. It’s a massive difference. It’s not about not being interested in endgame, it’s the fact that it’s impossible to recruit because man have swapped to Horde for the various reasons I listed.

@Midare-area-52

This is another “you” issue, since liking them or not it’s entirely subjective. I’ve made it clear I don’t like Nightborne… do I get to call Alliance bias over it? No?
And is not bias that they didn’t give you a copy pasted Horde race, it’s common sense.

LOL. Sure. Let’s pretend these forums don’t exist, reddit doesn’t exist, trade chat doesn’t exist etc… It’s not that hard to find out what the playerbase thinks about certain things.

I honestly can’t believe you’re even arguing at all about this. I am saying this as a huge alliance lover in the past, Alliance is the lame faction, and it’s Blizzard’s fault. Go ahead and say it’s a “me” problem as everyone faction changes to Horde next patch.

@Midare-area-52

Majority of the playerbase doesn’t care about the story at all. Alliance racials are fine as shown by pvp ladders and the championship… so maybe, just maybe… it’s a matter of focusing on doign things on your side instead of peeking your nose over the fence and claim that side it’s greener?

https://www.worldofwargraphs.com/pve-stats/races

https://www.worldofwargraphs.com/pvp-stats/races

Also you do realize that I am a horde player, correct?

[Pocketbuster-nagrand]

@Grayphus-nemesis

I’m still waiting for Hazzicostas to say, “if you want better racials, the alliance is waiting for you”, to see the horde’s mature reaction!

That won’t happen, it’ll be well nerfed into the ground before then.

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@Donoman-stormrage

You both aren’t really arguing any good points though, so yeah you can save it for the high elf thread.

I’ve argued them for far too long and rationally too, only to be countered with “I’m not listeniiiing”. I just reached a point simply don’t care about that outside of the chamber because, well, it’s not the echo chamber.

@Donoman-stormrage

? I was actually agreeing with you stating that I don’t like the direction of the Horde always getting beat down, but that’s not what I’m focusing on when I’m talking about the issues I have with the alliance as a faction.

You said the direction of the story, not “the direction of the Horde story”… are we doing this again when you forget to say half of the things and then accuse me of something despite the fact that you did not say it?

@Donoman-stormrage

Characters created is not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about people actively playing the game. That number isn’t easily tracked, but feel free to go on a 120 alliance toon, open the groupfinder, and then do the same as Horde. It’s a massive difference. It’s not about not being interested in endgame, it’s the fact that it’s impossible to recruit because man have swapped to Horde for the various reasons I listed.

Again, that’s something you see because the players that are online are not queueing up to do things so yes, even if they are around, if they’re not interested in endgame, you won’t see them in group finder.
And I addressed those at the bottom.

@Donoman-stormrage

LOL. Sure. Let’s pretend these forums don’t exist, reddit doesn’t exist, trade chat doesn’t exist etc… It’s not that hard to find out what the playerbase thinks about certain things.

You mean to tell me… only unhappy people voices the fact that their unhappy? sarcastic gasp

@Donoman-stormrage

I honestly can’t believe you’re even arguing at all about this. I am saying this as a huge alliance lover in the past, Alliance is the lame faction, and it’s Blizzard’s fault. Go ahead and say it’s a “me” problem as everyone faction changes to Horde next patch.

I mean, that is a you issue because you picked the good guys, and good guys that do no wrong are boring. But still, that doesn’t change the fact that liking ARs it’s indeed entirely subjective… but we both know what this one it’s about, which only makes it more funny since Void elves are only becoming more and more played at 120.

@Donoman-stormrage

Also you do realize that I am a horde player, correct?

Irrelevant, I don’t care what side you play, if you say things that can be easily proved wrong, I’ll do it.

Explain the advantage Alliance has been showing in the invitational then?

[Morvoth-tichondrius (Morvoth)]

But most people weren’t happy because they weren’t given what they were asking for, in fact, they were given something completely made up that had no prior lore of history, it was just inserted.

[Valarían-hydraxis]

Pro Horde Dev team does anything to bring the Alliance community morale down this is just another feather in their cap.

[Morvoth-tichondrius (Morvoth)]

@Rhielle-sentinels

Nice insult. Velfs made sense because Helfs are literally exactly the same as Belfs and are often mistaken for them. Velfs were at least different enough. And I know quite a few who enjoy them. Poorly shoehorned story? Sure. But they wanted to give Alliance the Belf model as something different and not a carbon copy.

Lightfored Draenei anyone? Mechagon gnomes lol. This argument just doesn’t hold sorry.

@Rhielle-sentinels

That’s because she’s not the same as they are.

You’re right, shes a HE that went Void while VE’s are BE’s that went Void, since they are different, they should have just added HE. Thanks for proving my point.

@Rhielle-sentinels

Oh yes, so callous. They figured out a way to give Alliance the Belf model, which is what people wanted, and that’s just SO wrong of them.

If you played the beta for BfA, you would know exactly how callous they are, and how much they don’t listen to their playerbase. This has been a common theme throughout the entire expansion and near the end of legion. This isn’t some new conspiracy and there are plenty of interviews where they admit to it.

@Rhielle-sentinels

And since you seem to want to be as hostile about it as the Helf fans, you most certainly do fit into their group.

I really don’t care about HE, I don’t. Its their way of handling things that really bothers me. And from their blizzcon last year, its obviously not something thats unique to me.