FC is much funner to play with than HA. I think the extension to the buff will be good as well, bc 15 seconds is a little short. I think people are also forgetting that disc scales really well. Holy does too, thankfully.
I dont think everyone will be abandoning disc at least at the late heroic/mythic raid tier whenever 9.1 comes around. Really glad to have a viable switch though. On some fights this tier holy just kind of makes more sense.
That will also depend on how the fights for Sanctum of Domination will be.
If every fight is like Hungering then Discs are still gonna be BiS. But if they are like Inerva probably Holy would be better.
Here we go again
Im actually thinking of running holy tonight in 16 SD instead of disc. Should be interesting
I was literally telling everyone on the forum months ago that Holy was a beast in M+ this expansion and you didnât believe me. Now I see Holy Priests grinding out +20 keys left-and-right like theyâre nothing and people are catching onto it.
Jak is #1 on the raider io leaderboards right now as Holy and in the top 25 healers in the world for io Score.
Sure as heck didnât see any Holy Priests that high in the leaderboards last season in BFA.
My goal is to try and get all +20 timed before the next patch.
Holy is not beast in mythic+, in fact they are one of the worst healer so stop spreading false information. Holy priest is one of the worst healer is m+ and no one really wants to party with them. Resto shamans heal without legendary is better than FC holy priest. Here are actual stats:
M20+ clears
Resto shaman 37.5%
Holy pally 31.9%
Disc priest 15.5%
Resto Druid 12%
Holy priest 1.8%
MW Monk 1.3%
M15+ clears
Holy priest 7.8%
Maybe they donât want to party with you if youâre that negative minded.
Iâm just stating the fact. You said your goal is to clear all 20s. If you run with same group and you are resto shaman, you would be doing at least 3 keys higher. I love playing holy priest, but they do need buff. They lost their identity as throughput healer and now just worst version of resto shaman.
Go prove this theory then.
9.0.5 patch notes.
Holy is doing better overall. Itâs easier to be effective at higher keys.
The problem is it takes a specific build, in general, to do so. Thatâs a huge failing. BUT, given that build, you can enjoy a good amount of success. That doesnât mean we donât need some work to address our ability to heal without Flash Concentration in the Resonant Words + Trail of Light build. Prayer of Healing, for example, is still essentially dead, and will* remain such in 9.0.5, except maybe if used after Divine Hymn.
I am just saying your numbers donât add up. Then why resto shaman and holy Paladin makes up for almost 70% of healer representation in 20+ and there are only 1.8% holy priest? 9.0.5 buff is nice to have, but it not a huge buff in terms of mythic+. Hymn buff is nice for raid, but not so much in mythic+ because now you canât cancel after one tick to get that healing buff. Flash concentration buff is nice quality of life buff, but it wonât be a game changer IMO.
15 seconds of 20% healing will be fantastic for Prideful at higher stacks. It should be possible to channel for enough ticks to get the buff as long as you donât go into the Prideful too far behind.
I agree on the FC part. The Legendary is game changing and losing that feature when the expansion ends will be a loss for the class. Hopefully theyâll incorporate it into the class one way or another.
The only way the PoH build is going to make a return is probably when weâre sitting at 50%+ mastery and/or it gets a buff on its healing. That could be around 9.2 or 9.3 for all we know.
Lack of class popularity doesnât mean that a class isnât performing. For example: I ran into my first arcane mage last night while I was doing a +19 key and it was the first arcane mage I have ever seen in 100s of M+ dungeons. I thought that they were going to suck: but they beat everyone on dps and did really good overall dps in the dungeon. The spec was so underplayed that he was literally 20th in the world for arcane mages at a 1700 io when thereâs 1000s of fire mages at a similar io.
Holy Priests are basically the same deal. Theyâre not FOTM meta, but theyâre capable of doing high keys just like any other healer. It comes down to player skill and experience foremost. You have to grind these dungeons out to the point that you memorize the damage patterns and know how to react to every situation.
People (and streamers) are just now catching onto the power of Holy Priests in M+ because they were unfairly underestimated and snubbed at the start of the expansion. The more positive exposure regarding the spec the more you will see it being utilized more, especially if Disc Priests decide to give Holy a twirl.
I was doing +20s and higher at the end of the BFA and when I compare it to what we got now: Holy is way stronger than it used to be. That power is just tied to a Legendary which is both a plus and minus.
Especially with those nasty grievous weeksâŚ
This is definitely the case. Madskillz uploading a video touting the pure HPS/ST healing strengths of FC Holy Priest in m+ I think was pretty huge. Jak also climbing his io as Holy is helping, too.
I might even go so far as to say that community perception about Holy vs Disc, in pug scenarios, is shifting away from âlol why arenât you Discâ. Holy with FC is much more consistent. Iâd trust a half decent Holy Priest more than an unknown Disc Priest.
I saw that the other day and the points he made about what makes a good healer is if you can keep the tank alive and can you heal through pridefuls. Thatâs essentially the entire checkbox for M+ in a nutshell as a healer.
Outside of keeping the tank alive and healing pridefuls the remaining utility is brez/lust, but considering most high end groups have a fire mage/boomie that utility is often already covered. Being picky about covenant dungeon buffs (notably venthyr which is often unrepresented in dps/tank specs) plays a larger role than which healer you are.
Mad has, on multiple occasions during his stream, flat out stated that if your goal is KSM as a healer FC Holy Priest is one of the easiest ways to get it. Notably easier than Disc.
Thatâs the group check box and almost every group I have ever played with at 15+ keys has at least a Mage, Hunter, and Boomie in it (has to be like 90% of the group comps).
I wonât queue up to a group that doesnât have a hero or b-res class in it. Also, I dumped herbalism for engineering, and the b-res item is only useful if its the b-res person that dies or youâre going YOLO without a b-res class. During trash I can shadow meld res people so we donât have to wait after.
Halls and Sanguine Depths are the only two dungeons people are rather strict about getting Venthyrs in.
Even if a Holy priest can do high keys, we canât say the spec is not the worst of all healers for M+ content.
And being the worst doesnât mean unviable nor useless.
But pretty much all healers can heal through a high key, specially Paladins and shamans who can do massive throughput with less mana costs, more dmg and more utility.
We still have the fact that none of our Covenant abilities really interact with our kit.
I still believe Holy priest still needs changes for M+ content. We are better than BFA? thatâs for sure. Still lacks when compared against other healers.
Right now, ItâsâŚclunky. 10s Flash con is too short.
Night Fae will probably be meta for Holy in m+âŚsince itâs a dr.
Iâve started lying I play Disc just to get invited to parties 
the only way.
Really? Iâve never had to lie. Only thing I get asked is if Iâm Vent if its Halls or Sanguine. I just put a note NOT VENTHYR if I apply.