I can see why the population dropoff was so severe in Wotlk classic even with the insane launch. Even with a huge launch it was not even close to the classic 2019 launch. Over 10 servers with HOURS long queues.
I really feel that Blizzard fumbled the ball by releasing tbc and wrath classic…i come to see that more and more. There is absolutely nothing to do in wotlk classic. Tbc as well. Raiding is all we have.
Pvp is packed full of bots in battlegrounds, alterac valley is just pve, and wintergrasp is just a deathball of aoe and range attacks. Bgs are not fun at all. No point playing. Arenas have like…70 people playing them. Nobody cares about classic arena pvp since retail is better and not unbalanced cancer like wrath is.
Dungeons are dead content for raid geared characters. What am I supposed to do, do heroic dungeons with 5k gs where i need nothing? For fun? For badges i dont need?
Burning Crusade was exactly the same.
The difference with vanilla wow is that you have multiple raid tiers with relevant gear that is still really good. Getting binding runs in. Getting great trinkets. Vanilla was the winning formula. Blizzard should have done Classic+.
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WOTLK classic has been a massive, massive disappointment. Everyone said TBC was the red-headed step child of the trilogy but honestly I’ve revised my opinion on that. It’s definitely WOTLK. TBC at least felt like vanilla but expanded (the raids and class specs, not the world sadly) . Wrath is just retail lite but with 1/10th of the content retail offers.
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You can make your own fun, for example… I made an alt and I am taking the said alt to try and get all the flight paths before level 10! I know it sounds dumb and crazy and funny how many times I have died going thru some zones but i’m having a blast being a level 3 running thru a level 50 zone hahah
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… Should be …
That is just the game. Once you’ve exhausted the content you want to do, there’s just nothing else until you get more content. This has been true since Vanilla in 2004 and remains true today with Dragonflight in 2023. There’s a ton of content in all versions of the game, you just might not want to do it.
A lot of folks around here think RDF would “solve this problem” and they’re failing to realize that’s only temporary. That’s more things for you to do, certainly, but with RDF you will exhaust it relatively quickly. Eventually you’ll max out all the alts you wanted to level and be in the same boat. Whether or not RDF is a good thing is entirely besides the point, it’s not going to solve this problem.
Even Classic+, which is something I would absolutely love to see happen, won’t solve this. It will result in exactly the same pattern. New content drops, players exhaust it, players are bored.
I found my own solution to this over a decade ago and I suggest you try the same. Enjoy the content when it comes, get whatever it is you want out of it, then take a break. Come back when there’s new stuff that you want to do. If there’s nothing left in WotLK, play something else or find hobby, then when the next phase lands, dive back in.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with this… you don’t have to force yourself to play WoW all the time.
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Yea TBC arena was much better. The burst meta has pretty all non plate classes at a disadvantage and prot warr/holy pally is so common now it’s butt cancer
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What do you want? Daily quests? Pet battles? There is an absolute wealth of content in Wrath of the Lich King (I know bc I was playing 16+ hrs a day for 5 months) but you’re right - it’s not the kind of content that forces you to log in and pretend to have fun every single day after you’ve completed your personal goals. Thank gosh lol.
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Did you really just complain that all there is to do in Wrath is raid, and your evidence for why vanilla is better was… raid content from vanilla? Bro raid content from vanilla was terrible. Class design was even worse. You legit press 1 button for 90% of specs, and for the classes not pressing 1-2 buttons, you were pressing a bunch of buttons to do 20% of the damage that the viable classes were getting pressing 1 button. Go back to era if you want. The content you want to do is there.
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i never understood why people take games so seriously. you played the game , it entertained you, move on. play something else until next expac .
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Yes, unlike retail, Classic does not give you a million daily chores and coerce you to log in and do them every single day or else you “fall behind”. Classic allows you to reach a point where you’ve completed everything in the current phase and can just chill and raid log.
I genuinely don’t understand why people think it’s a bad thing that the game is not forcing you to log in and do things. Where did this mindset come from? Why does only WoW get treated this way and no other game?
Like, look at how ridiculous it sounds:
ugh super mario bros sucks because once you beat the game there’s nothing left to do!
Yeah. There’s nothing left to do because you’ve completed everything. I don’t see what the issue is.
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My guess is because it’s a subscription system rather than $60 up front.
But, novel thought, unsub once you are done! And with classic, it’s part of the base game, don’t even need to buy the upgraded retail version.
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Raidlogging was wow until legion added m+ pretty much. Vanilla was the same all the way through wod.
Only people who always had something to do are pvpers
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This is a bad metric. They’ve expanded the amount of concurrent population since vanilla and there are more servers now. If anything, this shows they made movements to remove this. Hour long queues is not a benefit.
There is absolutely nothing YOU want to do in wotlk classic. Yeah, the only way to “progress” your character is to get better gear, and raiding is the only way to get gear above 213 iLvl (aside from buying boes, that people got from raiding).
But this is still the stage of wow’s life where progressing your iLvl wasn’t the only thing to do. This is the expansion they introduced achievements. You can hunt for those and not progress your character at all. It’s just not something you want to do.
If there is nothing you want to do besides raid, then just raid log and play something else between resets. WoW doesn’t have to be your only game, and if it is, I don’t see how classic era offers more content for you to do.
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Literally what is burnout
its futile to think that the game will just “continue” to be fun. At some point you ll exhaust everything the game has to offer. With all the dumping down of content going on in WotLK (I mean cmon, its so much easier then what I remember of back when Wrath was retail) more people run into this “endgame problem” faster and I kinda agree…when you are 5.xK geared what can you possibly DO in the game that even allows you to progress anymore?
I am not there and I dont wanne be because years ago when Wrath was current content I was one of those people and I remember that very well. Sitting around with nothing to do, getting frustrated because new content arrived so slowly and was completely within days.
So you are not looking at a new problem and you also are looking at an issue that “cannot” be solved by Blizzard. This is something you have to solve for yourself.
If you dont enjoy other things aside from progression then the game is basically “over” for you. Fact. And thats the reason why so many guilds implode after going through HM challenges. Members have everything they need and they get bored. Loyalty toward your guild only holds you for so long. Bringing up alts only gives you more characters to be frustrated with because you ll run into the same problem eventually
Not sure how many old Vanilla players play vs how many newer players ( I tend to include people that started as far back as WotLK ). IssueI have is that… everyone got good. The casuals arent interested because its just a min max game for people now. Originally there were very, very few that did that, the game was about making Machinima films and creating your own stupid story arcs.
I have an old and, typically, disliked suggestion. And that is for Blizzard to not make it EXACTLY vanilla, but basically artifically increase difficulty so there is no EZ mode. Barely any raid farming because its too hard, dungeons being puggable, but requiring teamwork etc. Do I know how thry do this? No. But I imagine the long term experience is better for many when everyone is equally crushed and min maxing is eliminated.
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I said for months that WOTLK was over hyped.
No one believed me
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They botched Wintergrasp so badly, its actually a sin. The BOT issue in BGs is awful and completely out of control. Constant GDKPs and RMT are cancer. Same-faction BGs eliminated any shred of lore or faction comradery that remained. The removal of RDF was the worst design decision since Garrisons. Add on the fact that Arena is insanely imbalanced in wotlk in general… and the issue with Raid gear in PvP… and its easy to see why WOTLK Classic failed miserably.
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I love the raid log game tbh.
Yep same thing happened to me but I started playing wow on classic 2019 so I downloaded retail and im having a good time exploring the zones and storylines that i missed from past expansions
I can sympathize with you but honestly I am only raid logging because why? My full-time WOW job was back in 2006 - 2010 and I’m not up for it again. I login, raid, logoff and never come back until next week. I like it a lot!