There is no significant downside to cross-faction grouping

After everything that the Horde and the Alliance has been through together over the past 3 expansions, the continuation of the war is so illogically hamfisted now. It exists solely for the sake of existing. We saved the world by defeating Hellscream together, we saved the world by defeating the Warlords together, we saved the world by defeating Sargeras together… guess it’s time to burn an iconic tree and throw fart gas at the Alliance! I mean… really?

PvP wouldn’t be at all affected if they choose to “merge” the Horde and the Alliance. PvP has still existed in the past 3 expansions in spite of there being no actual conflict between the factions at all.

Moreover, like another poster above said, it dramatically increases the people you can play with and accomplish things with. Where does Blizz have to go from here after this xpac is over, story-wise? We’re gong to be back to saving Azeroth together again. Everybody knows it.

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Also the lore in this expansion has been bogus. It would make no sense story wise if we were all of a sudden holding hands and singing kumbaiya in either next patch or expansion.

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This is honestly my main concern. I look at games that have attempted what Blizzard is doing, such as Jagex, and watching the schism it creates in the community when one variant of the same generic goes left and the other goes right… They fight over their platforms, they fight over who deserves more dev time, they fight over resources, everything becomes a bitter back and forth…

You want to kill live WoW? Attempt to institute drastic changes to the model it was developed upon, you won’t have anyone to play with when the majority of the player base migrates to classic in disgust to what the game has become.

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They werent together. 99% of theem kept killing each other in the past three expansions. Outside of that horde adventures weren’t the ones whom deposed garrosh (and half the alliance wanted horde to cease its existence) nor killled lich king but alliance. Legion was order hall on action not factions whom kept fighitng esch other hell even order halls fought each other, draenor orcs were killed and wiped by Yrel lorewise too. They being fine with lightforged would be laughable too. PVP is already not affected by factions.

Well I can’t disagree with you regarding what the “adventurers” wanted but Blizz doesn’t write the story around us. I meant the leadership, specifically. Unless I misunderstood what you meant…

No they dont thats why no factions makes no sense.

This is one of those examples of bad writing im talking about. The Lightforge which can nuke from orbit with their teleporting ship, Malfurion who needs to be written as incompetent to hide the fact that he has the feats to solo the Horde’s forces in Darkshore, Jaina who can show up to a battlefield carrying a multi-ton warship and nuke an entire battlefield, Anduin who has confirmed plot armor in Blizzard’s canon comic storyline which briefly displayed the future of Azeroth, this continues for quite awhile.

There’s honestly no logical reason for why the Alliance hasn’t wiped Horde from the map. They have the resources and the manpower to do it.

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Because “honor” :rofl:

Horde races are extremely promiscuous. And they often give birth to large litters rather than single children. Plus they only take a few years to age thanks to the Apothecary.

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In my opinion the art and music team have knocked it out the park. And the raids look great. It’s just these bogus systems and lack of interesting class design that’s choking the game out in my eyes. And now we’re about to destroy one of the primary pieces that WoW was made upon because of the storyboards lack of creativity.

It was stupid to put Sylvanas as Warchief in my eyes. If they wanted to do a faction war it should have been Baine as Warchief. It would have explained the lack of action from the Horde in Legion because he hasn’t really done anything so a title wouldn’t drastically change it. Horde leadership would get tired of doing nothing and start acting on their own and then the tree burning happens. Now Tyrande, Malfurion and Genn are both furious and Anduin gets word from Baine that he didn’t make the call and wants to settle things peacefully. Well those three are upset and want action and retribution and start acting on their own as well. Starting up the war between the factions.

This entire expansion could have been about both Baine and Anduins rise to power. Where Baine is trying to live up to Cairne and Anduin is continuing to try and live up to Varian. And it could have ended with the realization that true peace cannot be achieved between the two factions, but that doesn’t mean that they have to be enemies.

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The fact Mercenary Mode exists in BGs destroys all arguments against any cross faction cooperation. Not only is Mercenary Mode cross faction, it’s specifically for PvP where you’re killing people on your own faction as a mercenary.

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Except you’re not actually cooperating in any way, shape, or form… Mercenary Mode is the name of the mechanic, for all intents and purposes you are a member of the Alliance, not whatever Horde race you were when you toggled it. These guys want to dissolve factions, mercenary mode does no such thing.

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Anyone trying to say the alliance and horde don’t come together literally every expansion to deal with a threat, isn’t paying attention, or purposely ignoring countless examples of it happening.

It’s become a meme at this point, even during the “Faction war, definitely no old gods included”, are once again coming together to cooperate against a mutual threat, which is old gods related.

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I thought that was more like a “beta test” preemptive to implement merging the factions. Sort of like how Pandaren and Demon Hunters were the first ones to be allowed to test cross-faction communication.

I think if the barrier between the factions is removed they need to just change the name to Azeroth Online. Or Hippiecraft.

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Word of Warcraft: Group Therapy Edition :laughing:

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Or you know. World of Warcraft.

Because the war isn’t only alliance vs horde like some people seem to think it is.

Just because the alliance and horde aren’t actively at work and murdering each other does’t mean there is no war going on.

The faction wore is stale boring, tired, ham-fistedly forced, and doesn’t even make sense anymore. Especially with much larger more prominent threats in existence that we actively know about.

Sylvanas was a fool for attempting to reignite it, and honestly I’m convinced is just trying to get as many people killed as she can.

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War mode is a complete failure and never should have happened. There was already opt-in pvp on pve realms.

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In arena people fight whomever and know one has ever said this makes arena pvp complete BS that doesn’t matter like AV.

Its good for everyone who isn’t overly attached to their fantasy tribalism.

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Can’t see them doing away with factions in entirety but I can see cross-faction grouping for people who don’t have WM enabled. Also adding a mercenary mode to BGs for the under-represented side.

I don’t think you’ll see Orcs strolling through Stormwind though.

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