AV used to be an Iconic BG that meant tons of PvP and KBs over objectives. Now there is NO PvP in AV. The match ends in a few mins where you ignore the other team and zerg a boss. It’s more like an NPC wargame from BFA. Game is over and top kills is 2-3 KBs. That isn’t PvP and everyone loses.
New requirement should be a Tower can’t go down till 50kbs near it happen. There has to be some forced PvP over the objective. AV should last about 30-40 mins and we should have amazing Epic fights worth of calling this an Epic BG.
Obviously ALL the Epic BGs are trash and the worst form of PvP but hopefully we can get some major changes so they actually have PvP in them again. WG, Isle, Ashran they all need a major rework so PvP actually happens. Ashran right now is the only BG that has some decent PvP in it since you actually kill the other team and run out their resources. However I would double the resources so there is PvP over the objective more and you actually win in their base at the end.
I just was in an AV as the Tank I tried to farm field of Strife and then went back to our base because I’m looking for PvP. I want to fight some other players and actually get some KBs in. I never seen AV in such a sad state.
Not even. Horde can break any zerg at the Iron Triangle, alliance can break any hard push at Icewing Bunker.
The problem is that because your honor bonuses come from wins and losses- rather than time committed- and many people only care about the honor rewards, they’d rather rifle through games as quickly as possible.
Epic BGs are games that aren’t supposed to be finished in under 30 mins. There should be massive PvP over objectives to win the fight. These battles should be memorable not something you do with 1 hand while watching Netflix. Epics are the joke of PvP since there isn’t any PvP in them.
Epic BGs are a BFA War NPC War Campaign.
Again simple fix for AV 50 KBs near a tower to cap it. You need to get 3 Towers down to attack Boss. Make it an actual PvP objective map again.
Yeah…while it’s cool to get honor, the whole “race” aspect sucks. Especially with the right makeup you can just down the boss with no towers down (Alliance just did that to us)
I too am disappointed in the current state of Alterac Valley. If I am forced to spend 30 minutes in Wintergrasp then there is no reason they shouldn’t buff AV NPCs to force teams to kill mid map characters and burn towers.
I posted this in general discussion where there’s more likely a chance to be heard by developers. I’m being shouted down by PvE honor farmers. It’s fun.
Feel free to post so there’s more of a balance though. AV sucks and is not fun right now.
First, trying to “command” a bunch of PUG players is not the most simple thing to do, especially when the hivemind says ‘rush the boss’. Second, turtles are not fun at all. 40v40 doesn’t literally mean 40 players in the road against 40 players. There should be a few at each tower, spread over the graveyards, caves etc. Multiple battles around the huge map. This is why Ashran is the worst BG and AV follows these tactics.
That’s a dumb idea, the easy way to fix is just make the bosses stronger so you can’t zerg. It’s only fast now because the bosses are weak enough to do with only 1 or 2 towers.
It won’t make AV great, you make AV great by PvPin over objectives. What they should do is have a battle at field of strife and the winning team gets a buff. That way at the start of AV there is a massive clash.
Then there should be big PvP battles over these towers. Then you can have ninja and back cappers. We want to promote engaging PvP combat.
We want PvP not stronger bosses. Honestly we could remove the bosses and make it about resources.
If you haven’t noticed, Blizzard focuses on PvE. It’s literally all they know.
Every single decision is based around PvE.
Their PvP team is absolutely the worst. They need to hire developers from EQ, AC, Ultima Online to get some REAL PvP balance, objectives, and battlegrounds.
That’s another problem. The presence of a unique first-win bonus for epic BG’s makes all PVP’ers feel obligated to do it even when they might not like that form of PVP.
Make the commanders invulnerable till you burn all 4 bunkers/towers and the captains. if it results in these fights tanking very long then just adjust the honor rewards accordingly
I’m actually enjoying AV being fast at the moment. In BfA it could be a long boring turtle where most of your team would leave before the end. I guess we could have two versions of AV and have the Korracks Revenge as the other version.
I can’t believe I’m even considering this post but… I look forward to Ashrans now because at least you can get some decent fights out of it.
I’m all for making AV quicker, up the npc boss and lieutenant buffs and shorten the tickets by half or so, so turtling doesn’t carry it on forever. But being able to hop in and be done in 6 minutes kind of sucks.
