There is no doubt that this is going to go down as the worst season in M+ history

[Dracarian-medivh]

@Hpellipsis-whisperwind

And how hard would they be? Given heroics are in a state as to be near unfailable, and “challenges” will be 12 ilvl higher than that.

Normals would feel just like normals now, and Heroics would feel just like heroics now. If you turn on the Challenge Mode modifier, you get affixes with no timer, and would feel probably like a 8 or 10 (which is technically an 18-20) but that is as high as it would go.

[Hpellipsis-whisperwind (Hpellipsis)]

@Dracarian-medivh

If you turn on the Challenge Mode modifier, you get affixes with no timer, and would feel probably like a 8 or 10 (which is technically an 18-20) but that is as high as it would go.

And raids, similarly low?

[Pastamonsta-proudmoore]

Same. I’ve been playing alt keys more this week because I can’t find the will to do more 10s on my main. It’s not fun this season and the grind does not feel worth the reward.

[Dracarian-medivh]

Yep. Essentially the ONLY thing that matters is seeing the content and offering “some” level of challenge for those who want it. There would not be some HUGE ceiling, or large gear disparagement. This way there are only 3 rungs on the ladder instead of 6 or more, or in M+'s case, like 12. Keeps it simple, everyone has a mode they can excel in, and we all see the same content in 3 different ways instead of a dozen or more.

[Hpellipsis-whisperwind (Hpellipsis)]

Cool, not my cup of tea in the slightest. Have fun with that I guess.

@Dracarian-medivh

everyone has a mode they can excel in

Except everyone who currently raids mythic.

[Snowpine-ghostlands]

So, essentially “this content is too hard for me and I don’t like it, so no one should have it.”

Do you ever read what you’re saying before you post it, Drac?

[Grimmantle-thrall (Grimmantle)]

I don’t know about “worst season in M+ history” but I sure have less motivation to play alts after I get my KSH and AotC, that’s for sure.

[Dracarian-medivh]

@Hpellipsis-whisperwind

Except everyone who currently raids mythic.

and Raids, just like dungeons, would have that Challenge mode. Why is this confusing?

Dungeons:
Tier 1 - Normal (up to 580)
Tier 2 - Heroic (up to 619)
Tier 3 - Challenge Mode (up to 626)

Raids:
Tier 1 - Normal (up to 580)
Tier 2 - Heroic (up to 619)
Tier 3 - Challenge Mode (up to 626)

Delves
Tier 1 - Normal (up to 580)
Tier 2 - Heroic (up to 619)
Tier 3 - Challenge Mode (up to 626)

This means you have 3 tracks, with the same gear, offering the same rewards, and giving people more options. PvP would be something similar based on their seasonal score or something. I have not PvPed since Cata, and that is a whole other topic.

@Snowpine-ghostlands

So, essentially “this content is too hard for me and I don’t like it, so no one should have it.”

Do you ever read what you’re saying before you post it, Drac?

No, this is "I am sick and tired of whiners in every fan site I go to and would love to help them sort their own crap out so I can read in peace and am QUITE CONTENT roleplaying, runing Heroics, doing battle pet dailes/weeklies, and all the other stuff in the game do to a drastic LACK OF INTEREST in challenging content since I play this game to relax and not have to have a bunch of would up children barking about the same crap I can see in a follower dungeon. I am not interested in affixes, or M+ gear, or even M+ players.

[Hpellipsis-whisperwind (Hpellipsis)]

@Dracarian-medivh

and Raids, just like dungeons, would have that Challenge mode. Why is this confusing?

I asked if those raids would have comparable challenge to the challenge dungeons, you said yes and I took that to mean the raids would be roughly as hard as what is currently +8-10 keys.

Which is nothing compared to the current difficulty of mythic, and would not suffice for those currently enjoying it.

[Dracarian-medivh]

They can set Challenge mode to whatever level they like. Mine is simply the base idea and framework. I REFUSE to give very specific measurable numbers since EVERYONE will want to just pick it apart and since I don’t care about Challenge mode, they can sort it out themselves.

[Dezyre-dalaran]

@Dracarian-medivh

get away from the complaining and toxicity that M+ inevitably brings with it.

Oh you’re gonna be so disappointed when it doesn’t change because it’s always been there.

[Captmarvel-azgalor]

Definitely worst season in M+ history. If the intention was to make massive amounts of people quit, that goal was successful. Even if they reverted the gear progression changes from DF to TWW and lowered the m+ difficulty not sure it’d be enough to bring back all those players at this point… so sad.

[Baal-gorefiend]

@Dracarian-medivh

There is no elitism in Heroics because Heroics today are a step below the “elite” level. I run Heroics all day to help friends and guildies, and we often need a 4th or a 5th and pug it. Never have any of the issues or toxicity we get in Mythics. If I had an end goal, and Blizz was actually listening to me, here is what I would tell them:

• Revert Mythics to Heroics and dump the timers.
• Add the Mythic “Challenge Mode” back in, and have the gear be 12 ilvl points higher than heroics.
• Make it so Delves are on par with dungeons. T1-5 are like Normals with the same gear. T6-10 is like Heroics with the same gear. And make T11 like Mythic challenge mode gear.
• Do the same to raids; however, revert raiding back to ICC Wrath gearing where your initial set is normal, your T2 set is Heroic, and your T3 set is Challenge mode.
• Give every healer class the same cleanses and interrupts so people can play the healer they like, and not the healer they have to. I am a tank, but they should love what they are doing too.
• No more timers, and no more deserter debuff. Instead, if a player gets kicked more than 10 times in a 24 hour period, they are obviously a problem and get a 24 hour lockout from LFR, LFD, and LFG, but can still walking into instance content with a preformed group. This forces them to stop acting up and play the game.
• Gold gets removed from the game. Mogs, repairs, etc are all free. Anything that cost gold in the past from vendors is now free. The AH is turned into a Bartering house where you can trade mats for mats or gear for gear. Gathering becomes more than a gold maker, it becomes a profession maker again. Instead of gold, the more content you do, the more rep you get. The higher the rep, the better the stuff, mounts included.
• All Rep and Currency are now account wide and are transferrable.

Now, you may like some of it, or you may like none of it. Either way, I truly don’t care. It is an opinion only. Blizz usually stays out of most whiney threads, so this will likely never even be seen. Either way, there are ways to make the game fun again for everyone and not just me. I have tons of gold, mounts, and pets. I play very casually, don’t care about gear score, and only run content with friends and guildmates.

All of your issues can be solved by going and playing classic.

[Dracarian-medivh]

@Baal-gorefiend

All of your issues can be solved by going and playing classic.

That’s just it… I have no issues. I love this game AS is, and my life would be complete with just two things:

Account wide Rep and currency all the way back to Classic… and Race/Class/Faction unlocks… neither of which exist in Classic Also proves you didn’t read the whole post little buddy. Have yourself a great night!

[Torgmir-emerald-dream]

This would be a dream!

[Infuros-area-52]

This ^ My friends group has crumbled. I can’t just find new friends on a whim, all I have is pugging and good luck pugging anything higher than a 4. It truly is cancer.

[Deathloky-arthas]

That is fair as far as a competitive atmosphere. I am thinking they need to smooth out the difficulty in keys. Even going from 6 to 7 or 8, the amount of points you get is a huge bump which is intended but it makes too much of a bottleneck.

[Infuros-area-52]

Grind is a grind. Now it’s just gear. It used to make sense with green, blue, purple, but now it’s the ilvl game. Start low and build up as you go. Agreed it feels better than grinding bugs in silithus but the system has its merits, especially in wrath with the tabards.

[Mucduck-dawnbringer]

I want challengers peril gone. At least for Keys 10 and below.

[Seianna-proudmoore]

@Destrolock-malfurion

Have never seen this amount of negative reviews on M+ on the forums before.

For me personally I like this M+ season for a few reasons, but I can definitely see why it’s very hated in regards to most of the population that plays M+.

And most importantly - it’s another reflection of Blizzard simply not listening to their playerbase. I’ve noticed my friends list has been getting very, very thin on recently active users, a lot of people are simply opting out.

It’s sad really, players are giving up so easily when it comes to m+. A lot of players don’t bother to research and to avoid mechanics. I’m thoroughly enjoying this m+ season.