I have never kicked another player from a Dungeon, even when they went AFK for 5 minutes. Turns out their child had been hurt. I never yelled at another player for wiping the group simply because they were new to the dungeon and did not understand the fight mechanics. I have never said no to adding someone to my group, even when they say they are rusty and under geared. I have never checked a player’s gear before entering a raid.
I play this game like it is still 2006 and treat others with respect. This forum on the other hand is loaded with people I would sock in the face if they said half the things they say to my face, and not to the thread we are in. Now, if you can tell me you have never done any of the things I mentioned above, you have my respect, and my apologies. Go on… surprise me.
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M+ is poison to this game. Let it die already.
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Oh, I would LOVE to get rid of LFG/LFD/LFR and have folks use meeting stones again. You tend to think twice about how you treat others when it might take you another hour to find a new group that is not already full in trade chat. I miss the days when there were no cross-realm randos and people had to be accountable for their interactions with others or risk being blacklisted for instances on their server. We had far fewer jerks (they still existed) back then, and runs were more enjoyable as we made new friends.
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M+ is the only win BlizZard has since Legion and they are going to turn it into a big fat loss.
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I think Warbands, Delves, Follower Dungeons, and Account wide rep (at least the new rep for now) have all been wins. Once they make ALL currency transferrable and ALL rep (back to classic) account wide, I can start playing more endgame and spend less time catching up alts.
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Account wide rep all the way back is gonna be amazing. It’ll finally give me the motivation to rep grind again.
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It’s really funny how S1 of TWW is doing worse than S1 of DF even with the bridge of the upgrade system.
You may regret asking this, for my changes would be seen by many as madness, perhaps enough to have me jailed or committed to an asylum. Read on at your own peril.
Reward structure reverted to DF S3/4, or vault max moved down to 9s.
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I think you mean Pugging m+ sucks.
Because running with people you know is fine. Granted The dungeon selection is horrible but other than that its a normal m+ season. The PUG community is just more toxic than ever now.
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Delves is a huge win. The gear upgrade system huge win. The crafting system is also a win. The talent system, the hero talents all wins. M+ however has just brought more and more toxicity the longer it exists.
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If there was a vendor at the start of M+ dungeons that let you buy any gear you wanted, at any ilvl, for a few coppers, and keep it after the dungeon was over, this season of M+ would be heralded as the greatest thing ever on this forum.
Not sure the General Discussion forum should be a litmus test for good game design.
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And the same goes for Delves, Dungeons, Raids, old Content, RP, and more. If more people were actually social, and kind in groups, they might be invited back and made welcome in group content. I always used to laugh at the tool tips that would say “Being kind in groups will get you invited back”. People lost sight of making friends, and not everyone is able to play Solo in this game, and those are the people who need to try the hardest not to be jerks in group content.
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I got as high as 23s in S3 DF pugging and it was incredibly fun, this season I have no desire to even M+ at all, still haven’t gotten KSM because it’s painful pugging
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And what metric are you basing this on if any? Cause the hard data shows the same number of people are reaching the same milestones in the same time frame despite having a smaller player number. The data shows people are having more success this season reaching ksh and ksm then previously.
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There are less runs now than during DF Season 1, BUT there are also 10 key levels missing lol. If you had those missing key levels, it would probably be roughly the same, maybe more.
But by which metrics?
People keep insisting this but all I’ve seen is a Bellular video.
IO they have the data for all the df seasons, season 3-4 of sl and current tww. Its also public for you to go look at.
It’s all available through RaiderIO.
https://imgur.com/a/lazLPmq
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It truly amazes me that people have access to so much data and information yet don’t use it then make “feely craft” complaints that contradict the hard data
This doesn’t read the way you made it sound, to me.
I guess maybe I read into it too much, but this really isn’t screaming “M+ is struggling” by any remote stretch of the imagination.
Not sure how I made it sound but there is a reason why most people are only comparing it to DF Season 4, it’s the only one out of the 4 that is using 10 key levels rather than 20.