The Titans seem to be ignorant the Pantheon of Death even exists… so I am super doubtful of the Eonar link. In fact, they seem by design to of been kept ignorant of all the other cosmic forces, tasked with just ordering the mortal plane.
That was the key flaw in their psychology that was exploited to send Sargeras into insanity.
No, she’s literally not the one who empowered her. That’s Freya. Yes its her power but if you want to split hairs here over literally the only thing Ysera and Eonar have related, then sure let’s do it. Considering people are ignoring the wealth of related things Ysera and Elune have to fit their argument.
How would Elune being the Winter Queen’s sister “reduce” her in any way? The Eternal Ones are said to be older, and thus implicitly more powerful, than the Titans. Elune is also heavily implied to also be older than the Pantheon in Legion by Khadgar.
The Winter Queen is not a Titan, I have no idea why you’re saying if she’s the Winter Queen’s sister mean she’s a Titan…?
Nope
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Charge_of_the_Dragonflights
Eternal Ones are a Pantheon of a Cosmic Force, ie on the same tier as Titans if (allgedly, Ion sometimes says dumb things because he’s a bad interview-ee) stronger.
Eternals are the Pantheon of Death. Titans are the Pantheon of Order. They’re Pantheons, Creations. Elune is 100% not going to be part of a Pantheon, but a First One who helped create existence and Pantheons.
Yall need to stop relying on your memory and check sources sometimes.
To be fair we haven’t really had long conversations with any of them, only their keepers.
And Raden had no idea about MOTHER, or the Chamber of the Heart. And he was the “Prime”.
Dude you are using a book from in-game from Vanilla when we’ve had more current information come out changing that lol.
Freya empowered Alexstrasza and Ysera as stated in Chronicle. The Keepers were the ones who empowered the Dragon Aspects using powers from the Pantheon.
Ironic since you’re the one criticizing people for not using facts.
I think Eonar seems like a very lackluster option if they go that route. I can easily imagine Elune as this rogue member of the Pantheon of Death that has been tampering all over the cosmological map to suit her own goals. Like I said earlier, though, Grimoire of the Shadowlands and Beyond should answer this. We just have to wait for Summer 2021.
You realize that just because they’re calling them both “Pantheons” that doesn’t mean that both groups are Titans…right?
You do realize that, right? A Pantheon is just a group of important individuals. They’re just using the same word.
The Eternal Ones are not Titans.
Bro. Chronicle Volume 1 page 46
“Freya beseeched Eonar to bless […] Ysera”
I literally used the word Titan and Eternal separately. They’re both “Pantheons” of Primal Forces, ie the “top” of their respective force.
Take the L.
Again, stop relying on your memory and read before speculating.
…So you’re just ignoring what I’m actually saying, yes?
Okay good I can know to stop trying.
Imagine being factually wrong while continuing to insult people for not knowing the facts.
Gotta love the forums. Enjoy being wrong when its not Eonar.
You’re just straight up wrong, don’t save face, take the L and admit error lmao
You are both sorta right, and sorta wrong. Freya blessed her directly, channeling the powers of a very distant Eonar, who had long since left Azeroth and was off ordering who knows what world.
It is a bit like asking in D&D if a Cleric blesses you, who did it? The Cleric, or the God behind the Cleric?
No lmao all three sources literally attribute Ysera’s empowerment to Eonar. Chronicle does not say it was Freya who did the blessing. Only one of the three sources says it was Eonar through Freya, but that’s the “Vanilla lore” Mr. Necroxis so dislikes.
Chronicle simply and plainly states Freya asked Eonar to make Ysera cool.
Correction: Dawn of the Aspects came out 2013, idk why I was remembering an earlier date for it, but that’s the only source that says it was Eonar through Freya doing the empowerment.
Yeah I am seeing some weird contradictions in the lore on the point the more I dig into it. It seems like it conflicts with the point that the Keepers basically tossed all their responsibility off onto the Aspects after they channeled the blessing, and Odyn got all bent out of shape it was done… and his whole floaty sky Valhalla knockoff zone was made.
None of that contradicts all three sources (Chronicle, Dawn of the Aspects, in-game lore book) stating it was Eonar doing the blessing.
Not saying it does, it just jumbles up the timeline in my head was all. This is why an official timeline would be real nice. They have been so wishy washy on stuff it can be easy to get things out of order and fill in gaps in ways you shouldn’t of.
Problem with an official timeline is that it makes the gaps in knowledge/game lore apparent, so plot becomes more “predictable”.
e.g. who was Queen before Azshara, who was the previous Night Warrior, what were the major settlements/temples of the Old Gods and where (other than Tomb of Sargeras/Temple of Elune) etc.
Thats not entirely true.
The keepers make a Ritual to contact the Pantheon, throug that Ritual the Dragonaspects got their Power. Even Chronicen 1 said that. So yes, Eonar empowered Ysera, Eonar gave her the ability to rule and watch about the emerald dream of Azeroth.
That was all Eonar. Eonar did more to Ysera, then Elune ever had done to her.
I am really not feeling like it lines up to me for some reason. There just feels like thematically Eonar and the Winter Queen are nothing alike, whereas Elune and the Winter Queen have some obvious overlap.
Then there is the Wierdness with Tyrande and the Night Warriors that has been specifically tied to Ardenweald. And like I noted before, the reforming of Ysera was exactly what Elune did to her as she died, in reverse. In the same pose. Everything they do in Cinematics they do for a specific reason. It all is meant to communicate stuff.
It just makes me squint very suspiciously.