Elune - Mother
Eonar and Winter Queen - Sisters (Daughters of Elune)
It’s no coincidence that the Memory of Eonar legendary comes from Ardenweald/Night Fae
This crossed my mind as well. If Ysera invokes so much hesitance from the Winter Queen for being “of my sister”, and that sister is Elune, why does she accept the previous Night Warriors? Or all the Night Elves from Teldrassil? If just her sister’s “pet” annoys her, why tolerate her mortal adherents?
I believe Elune is Mother Moon to both the Winter Queen and her sister, whether it’s Eonar, some as of yet unknown Summer Queen/Titania figure, or whatever.
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More importantly, it would make Elune a Summer Queen/Life entity, which we know she is not. At most, she is a Balance and Moon entity.
I’m betting all the marbles I’ve lost talking about BfA lore that the sister being referred to is Elune. The song that’s played when Ysera is brought back is literally a rendition of Nightsong, which was the kaldorei theme from Cataclysm, and a version of it was also played when Elune freed Ysera’s spirit.
The Winter Queen is older than the Titans and she’s not mentioned once as being one of them, she pre-dates mortal spirits, and Titans are technically mortals. That said, I don’t believe the Emerald Dream is the Plane of Life, because it only encompasses Azeroth. Maybe it’s a portion of said plane, copying the Plane of Life, much like how Odyn used knowledge to make the Halls of Valor.
I think the Winter Queen turned her nose up briefly not because Ysera was associated with someone she disliked, but because of the sheer amount of anima that would be needed to bring back a single soul. In the cutscene, she seemed to be trying to downplay the situations, but once convinced to help, seemed much more tender to Ysera and welcoming, if in the withdrawn was she acts.
Either way, we’ll hopefully see more in time, but it’s pretty interesting. Elune possibly being the mother of both was something I hadn’t considered until it was brought up in this thread, but since Elune embodies Life and Death aspects, it would also fit.
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I mean, this is supposed to be this way. The Winter Queens sister isn’t like her- and more likely she is related to summer and is a life entity. If Elune did have more thematically with the WQ she cannot fill that role.
I’m’a come in here to this argument about lorefacts to laugh at y’all for thinking it matters, RE: Winter Queen’s sister.
It doesn’t matter who did more for whom with Ysera. Wrong way to look at the question entirely. Sure, Eonar gave Ysera her magic mojo. Sure, Elune spared Ysera and sent her to Ardenweald. None of that even hints at who the sister is.
Because in WoW’s sixteen years? They’ve extremely rarely ever been that subtle. And you know I’m right.
Instead, you want to look at what the Winter Queen is, and search for her opposite. It’s still probably wrong, and the WQ will probably end up being Shandris’s long-lost sister or some shenanigan, but it’s not going to be revealed based on who did more for whom.
I’m betting my money on a brand new “Summer Queen” character who’s never been mentioned before and rules the summer faerie court, who we’ll meet in the Light-based expansion.
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That’s the point. The Seelie and Unseelie Fairy Queens are often depicted with opposite personalities.
So you have Stoic Queen with Mostly Friendly/Fun Beings (WQ and Fairies) and you have Whiny Dramatic Queen with Mostly Unfriendly/Serious Beings (Eonar and Freya/Wild Gods)
As a side note, so does the Winter Queen. Ardenweald is by its very nature still a manifestation of Life and Death. Just the end of Life’s cycle, rather than its start.
Truth of the matter is, its not that Elune cannot be the sister of the Winter Queen; its that she “CAN’T” be! Because somehow her being anything less than a First One (or above a First One, as the one true Goddess in all of Warcraft) will be spitting on the NEs in some way. Even a Eternal (a being that predates and is conceptually above the Titans, and far above the Naaru) would in insufficient.
Thus the Winter Queen’s sister HAS to be an inferior god-like being like Eonar.
I still side with Eonar and WQ being both daughters of Elune.
Eonar is an arcane being that has life powers.
WQ is a death being related to life.
They seem to mirror each other in a nice way.
Elune seems to be major than the WQ and the Titans, maybe a first one.
Before the machinery of death was broken, Elune made sure that Ysera was sent directly to Ardenweald, she probably had a reason (maybe foresight? Or maybe dragon aspects don’t go to the shadowlands naturally)
Honestly, I’m fine with Elune being the sister, or Eonar, is just that there is a connection between Eonar and Elune, and there is a clear connection between the WQ and Elune as well, and the 3 being sisters doesn’t sound too right.
So while Elune being the WQ’s sister is a possible line and one i find fitting, i side with Eonar being the sister and both being daughters of Elune…
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But Eonar has never had a relationship with Ysera, even a Pet-Master like one. Freya has had a relationship with Ysera, and it was she that wove the Emerald Dream (though we believe now all she really did was tie into something that already existed for its creation, rather than create it from scratch). So, by that argument, even if the power was coming from Eonar, Freya would be “sister”. However, that cannot possibly be the case as she was created by Eonar.
Elune does have a far more intimate relationship with Ysera, and a much more prevalent history with her than even Freya (let alone Eonar). Its not that the Winter Queen’s sister cannot be Eonar, but its not that it can’t be Elune. And … considering it was Elune that clearly saved Ysera, the mirror imagery and composition to her resurrection, my guess is on the latter.
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Since it is unclear what type of entity Elune is, it is completely possible.
But I read in another thread, wasn’t Ysera turned into an aspect directly by Eonar? My lore knowledge is not good on that part.
Also in this thread if you scroll up a bit to another post I made, but yes, all three sources that comment on the subject state it was Eonar who empowered Ysera. (Chronicle, Dawn of the Aspects, in-game lore book from vanillaish)
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I think the sister here could be Azeroth herself.
The winter queen color scheme if very close to Azerite, and her horn patterns look like a hearthstone. Further, the proto dragons were born of Azeroth- later empowered. I think Elune elevated Ysera to wild god status so she would end up in ardenwield, hence why the winter queen asks why she was brought to her.
Speaking as a kaldorei fan who has delved far too deeply into the lore, as I’m sure you’re all well aware of by this point given my post history, Elune being a sister or peer to the Winter Queen would be the best case scenario in my book. Hell, the collection of Eternals literally calls itself a pantheon (yes the Titans did too but they have an ego the size of… themselves).
The Eternals thus far are far closer to any sort of traditional fantasy god than anything we’ve seen so far, and I’d be more than happy for Elune to be related to the Winter Queen, she can still be a goddess… the man litmus test for a god in fantasy is generally that they can hear the prayers of those faithful to them, and the Winter Queen seems to be able to perceive changes and dangers to her realm, which is more than likely FAR larger than it appears in game, it being an infinite afterlife for all the universe, and all that.
People saying Elune can’t be an Eternal need to consider that it’s Blizzard we’re dealing with here, and Winter Queen’s Goth Sister is far and away the best case scenario… because other options on the table are: a naaru, a ‘good’ Void Lord, or another Titan.
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If Elune is an Eternal One then the Eternal Ones are the True Gods with the Pantheon of Order being God-like beings on par with them(we can kill Sire Denathrius in a Raid just like we could Argus)!
Why will we be able to kill Sire Denathrius in his Raid? He obviously doesn’t want to demolish the walls according to his Audio(he doesn’t even want to coat them with Blood) so he is naturally holding back(though is making a good show of power through his AoEs)!
I would wager the option they’re hoping for “A First One”.
An Eternal is at the caliber, or slightly above the caliber, of a Titan. Which means its still one step down. However, considering the way the Winter Queen and Ardenweald operate … it does feel like Elune could be that sister on the other side of that door. Sitting on the Life/Death side of the Life Cosmological domain. With her world being the one that Freya based the Emerald Dream off of.
You are right that functionally the Eternals seem to operate far more like traditional gods than anything we’ve seen thus far; outside of maybe Loa (who’s relation with their worshippers is lower power scale, and more mutual). The Idea that Elune and her domain is the root source of the Emerald Dream (and everything that spawned from it) seems plausible at least.
The Spring and Summer of life’s cycle.
It would be funny if Elune had the Eyes of Green… If she was the Shadowlands’ Spy in the Realm of Life things would get interesting!
I think when she refers to sister, she is referring to her “sister” realm, not sister as in a god, as in the emerald dream, and by that definition, yes Ysera is a pet of the emerald dream
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Which would also explain the eye color change, green for the emerald dream, blue for ardenweald
Actually, if you click on her multiple times the flavor text says “ do you have a sister? You are certainly as vexing as mine”
So I believe she’s referring to an actual person.
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