Oh… I see. Did not know that!
there are only 2 or maybe 3 specs with pets in wow right now:
demonology warlock, beast master hunter, survival hunter. and thats all.
This is what a lot of people tend to forget. WoW used to be popular because it was fun not because it was complex and watered down.
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Frost has so much baked in slows, it’s pretty unnecessary to have another nova.
Tbh both frost and mm need this for it to feel like it belongs. Their pets have felt out of place for several xpacs.
Honestly surprise it took them this long to put the WE on the butcher’s block. Considering it barely did anything…
Water elemental has been cringe since the novelty of it as a temp summon in tbc wore off.
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Words that you’d never see together talking about something cause they seem conflicting, but oddly appropriate enough.
It’s useful for Shatter. And the slows were nerfed just to be put in a talent.
One Pet Nova = one more shatter every 30s = one glacial spike critting = 1-15s saved in an encounter. It added up. However, damage was apparently buffed enough (50-70% using my build) to compensate for the lost shatter, which is great in PvE, but still won’t be as good as having a secondary threat target.
It might not be enough for PvP (Actual PvP = random BGs), where burst damage and enemy control is much more important. A pet nova to stop a group, to set up an ice wall/ring of fire etc., a water bolt/jet to stop a flag cap will be sorely missed. And you could do all that while farther than 40y, since the range is relative to the pet, not the player.
Most of what I’ve seen from the “anti-perma-elemental” defenders is that they hate pets or didn’t know/care enough to micromanage it.
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which is still a thing.
the only change is that the ele was already by your side ready to go
My hate more so comes from pathing and just bad ai.
Without proper macros and micromanaging, they can be very annoying to deal with.
When the options are minimal pet gains or flat damage increase to avoid the headache entirely… no pet is a pretty easy choice.
And again, if they were more baked in or had better synergies without all the micromanaging, then I’d agree.
But as is, mages aren’t a pet class. They just have a pet they can use for some minor utility. Which to me, the line needs to be more defined.
Frost rework is the LAST thing ya’ll should be on here complaining about. Ya’ll should be licking Blizzard’s boots for actually making Frost viable. Not crying about a non pet class being forced to pet and do miserable damage with said pet cause the class is not a pet class to begin with.
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I expect the main reason they removed the water elemental from the Frost Mage was probably due to most players using Remorseless Winter. I’m guessing it was only because of “tradition” that they kept it at all.
Personally, I still believe the water elemental should be (and should always have been) a pet/spell for Resto Shaman.
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As you wish.
But personally I’d do some research prior to a post like this.
you made the claim.
you show me your “research”.
just a patch number… anything…
mages only have 3 schools of magic, so what would these 4 elementals be?
are you sure you’re not confusing mages with shamans?
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I played WoW when the game was fun.
The shamans didn’t exist.
The mages had Fire, Water, Earth, and Air elementals.
And I’m now looking forward to discovering what kind of a real life person you are… One to be ignored or one to trust your posts as truthful or fanciful.
At this point It isn’t looking good.
Correct me if I’m wrong… I’ll admit it. Will you?
I’m always happy to admit when I’m wrong.
I like learning.
Mages have never had earth or air magic.
How could it possibly make sense that they’d have earth or air elementals?
If anything, wouldn’t they have an arcane elemental? 
shamans have always existed.
exactly which version of WoW are you talking about?
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Frost mage here -
Very happy water elemental is gone.
It should have never been added.
Perma pets are for warlocks and hunters.
If you want to RP there’s water elemental collectable pets that you can use. No one doing competitive content wants to be hindered by poor pet AI and the overhead that comes with pet positioning, resummoning and ability management.
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I’m not going to repeat myself, so suffice it to say "the burden of proof is yours, after all you are the one who first gently suggested that I’m a liar.
Remember, if you live in the US “innocent until proved guilty”, unless you happen to live in Louisiana, then in state law situations it is the opposite. Most people in the US don’t live in Louisiana.
Plus, federal law is based on “innocent until proved guilty”.
Btw… you might be right about the Shaman. My Shaman was the last alt I developed, but at the time I picked it up, the Shaman were totem focused and didn’t have any elementals. The elementals were a purely mage thing.
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Can’t remember last time i saw an elemental in game tho…
good.
you probably shouldn’t repeat yourself when you’re so incredibly wrong.
the burden of proof isn’t on me.
i didn’t make any bizarre claims.
there’s a whole world outside the US.
i can’t recall a time when shamen didn’t have a fire and an earth ele.
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