That is a funny way to spell Baine, but I pretty much agree with everything else.
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Baine at this point is better served as comic relief cause he cant be bothered to actually lead his people.
This said, I for one hope villain batting Turaylon happens since it would also offer Baine the opportunity to grow a pair and put his foot down and tell the humans no, even if it had to happen because Anduin is in a extensive recover process the poor man genuinely needs after MoP to SL.
I like this new unpopular opinion twist to the thread.
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Illidan was the last interesting narrative character.
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Blizz needs to decide what they’re doing with Anduin. He should be a big hero along the lines of Aragorn, not whatever Arthas clone they’re making him.
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Both factions should be villains. At the same time. And it should be on purpose, not “whoops, we didn’t know we were being bad.”
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Horde should be allowed to settle in Southshore since they can’t have Gilneas. It shouldn’t be in dispute at all.
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Killing off Vol’jin was a major mistake. The plot at that point could have been promoting Sylvanas as leader right away, and then having Vol’jin start suspecting her corruption, investigating in secret and having him take back the Horde when she went supervillain. He could have saved the tree, leading to a more peaceful state between factions.
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I’d be fine with Angry!Jaina, but I’d prefer it to be because Calia went light-crazed and killed Jaina’s brother (bc Calia don’t need no man). But if Calia does this, I’m sure the plot will go something like Calia gets re-redeemed by the queen of the Naaru, decides she does need a man, after all, and goes to dig up Liam Greymane.
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All races should be neutral at this point, meaning all can join either faction. neither faction, or can swap factions.
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Dis. Alot of dis. Mostly dis. But really all of dat.
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Agreed.
I personally like the Alliance and Horde conflict best when it’s less of a case of “Let’s go fight the other faction” and more a story of “We’re after a separate goal that will aid our own faction, that goal may involve some damage to the other faction, and we’ve decided that it’s a sacrifice we’re willing to make them pay (and/or we’d rather they pay this price than have our own faction pay a different price).”
I feel that kind of story framing strikes the best balance for players:
- It is based on separate faction stories which are all about the PC’s own faction and furthering their own goals, getting a faction focus and variety of viewpoints for the overarching story,
- It includes the other faction in a way that there’s more choice between treating them as enemies, obstacles, or potential allies (whether grudging allies or genuine cooperation) to reach the end goal, without requiring any of those options to be definitively right or wrong,
- It has a non-evil/non-PvP end goal for players to focus on if they don’t like the faction conflict aspect, and a conflict aspect that players can focus on if they like the faction conflict,
- Having different end goals allows for both the factions to achieve their goals no matter the outcome of the faction conflict part, so the story isn’t stuck in a place where for one side to win, the other has to lose (and because humans feel loss more strongly than gains, making faction conflicts a 1-1 tie only leaves both factions’ players feeling upset)
- Having a non-PvP end goal makes it easier narratively to set the faction conflict aside when the story wants the factions to team up again, while the faction conflict that happens in the meantime still gives genuine reasons for players and characters to resent the other faction.
This two-faction setting is what pulled me into this game setting to begin with. I love these stories where there are multiple likeable protagonists/characters whose conflicting goals set them against each other - because that setup gives the story its tension of not wanting to see either side suffer while they fight, and the payoff if or when they can finally figure out how to work together. Demonizing one side and whitewashing the other is just boring.
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100% this. Fantasy politics is as its best when everyone justifies in their own mind that they’re the good guy, but both are bad in many ways. Alliance would really benefit from a darker arc in that sense.
I’ll do you one better: BFA was a vastly superior expansion to Legion. The narrative retcons of Legion were also some of the most frustrating in the game.
For example, the placement of the vault of the wardens just across the bay from Suramar makes warcraft 3 Maiev look like a real idiot when she says “wow these islands aren’t on our charts” and marvels about the ruins of Suramar being a thing when she could have just looked out the window once every thousand years and seen it for herself 10 times.
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My opinions from this long thread chain about some things including other than the story, since I no longer pay attention to most of it unless it’s unintentionally funny:
- Anti-Gravity packs in Mechagon were the last interesting mount
- Harrison Jones is the absolute worst part of the entire story of Warcraft
- This game would have a better story if the Alliance were the bad guys every once in a while (TRUE)
- Hillsbrad was better before the purple graphic update. It should look decrepit
- Khadgar is boring and I don’t like him
- Evil bad vengeful Jaina is the Jaina we want and need (TRUE)
- Earthen being an allied race (neutral race?) is a weird decision even though I’m excited because most of the players would have been more excited about literally, any other AR.
- Alliance should’ve gotten playable Goblins so I could use a trike mount
- Hellfire Peninsula is underrated
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(TRUE)
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Gobbos should have been cross faction.
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I legitimately miss the pants filling nature of the Fel Reaver just wandering around the Zone. Then coming back at Level 70 in a full party and kicking its mechanoass.
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It was less scary for Horde when you found out you could kite it into the mages.
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In the TBC beta there was a hilarious bear reaver for some reason
https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Bear_Reaver
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Just woke up and read that as “It was less scary for Honda when…”
needed
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Ah, the dark days when car companies were kiting people into mages.
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https://youtu.be/ODt1ppstUGk?si=CLeu1O4TDn9WtAm7
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there is a reason FORD stands for “Found On Roadside Dead”
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OMG where did you even find this - lmfao.
I knew I saw it somewhere!
We can blame Liotuse for the Earthen!
For once, its not my fault!
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So now the Horde will have access to Dwarves after already getting Night Elves after a fashion.
Can the Alliance please get some Tauren? Please? Let the cultural exchange go in both directions for a change. Or even a rival Goblin Cartel, I’m not picky at this point. I just want to see some fresh faces in the Alliance.
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You get Lightbound Orcs and Forsaken after Turalyon goes mad and drags the Alliance into a civil war.
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