The War Within™ Season 1 and Raid Schedule Overview

M0 got changed to LFR ilvl gear, and Myth track gear only drops from +10 vaults.

With a very high drop chance; you also get a piece guaranteed for doing KSM (which is phenomenally easy).

And AoTC, which is much easier to do week 1.

actually that isn’t correct - you get hero track tier piece for KSM.

we are talking about BiS items here - myth track level.

a raider can walk into a mythic raid, full clear it and get all five pieces of tier at myth track whereas a mythic plus player could only get a full set of myth track tier after five weeks (if they are lucky enough to get the correct pieces in their vault once per week)

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Doesn’t the final affix not kick in until +12, though? That seems strange.

No m+ for almost a full month after expac launches is a big L.

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The final affix is the one that removes the kiss/curse affixes. It’s what Blizzard uses to distinguish push keys from farm keys.

+12s are unironically easier than +11s though; 20% more HP/damage is tough, but the Voidbound affix is extremely intrusive and +12s remove it altogether.

yeah doing a 12 is actually a much more pleasant experience than doing an 11.

it’s weird that blizzard decided to stick to this seasonal affixes for lower keys, making lower keys actually harder than higher keys.

There’s no point in having M+ til then.

M+ is always capped at around +10 going into an expansion/season until mythic raid release. You’d be getting the same reward as M0, just do M0

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yes but M0 has a weekly lockout whereas mythic plus 10 (under the old system) did not.

m0 is a daily lockout in tww

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but a daily lockout is still more restrictive than no lockout.

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99.9% of people aren’t going to be running 8 dungeons a day, its a non-issue

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Not saying it’s a good idea but the simplest move to make the gearing similar between keys and raids (other than iron curtain) is to remove the lockout on normal/heroic and make them drop wyrm/aspect crests respectively. Then normal drops hero in the vault and heroic drops mythic in the vault.

Mythic raid would drop the same gear as heroic, just additional drops.

From what I understand the gap between heroic and mythic gear is back to 13 item levels, up from 6. It also to me kind of makes the upgrade system pointless.

And mythic raiding would basically die that day lol

You can’t tell me most people aren’t still doing it just for the gear, sure there is a some people in it for the challenge, but we like them purps yo

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Maybe, I’m not recommending it.

Just saying that’s how mythic+ gearing works.

would be an interesting experiment

they should just have the bullion system in every season so that people aren’t forced to raid mythic just to get the gear to use in mythic plus.

if mythic raiding were to die off because it doesn’t have “exclusive drops”, should mythic raiding even exist then?

Really…I didn’t know tier dropped in mythic+

It comes in the vault, both directly or through the catalyst.