10/17/2018 05:04 AMPosted by
Mythlor
Same. I'd feel terrible. I like gnomes, but we don't need more of them - it's a very, very underplayed race.
They'd likely be paired up with Vulpera, which would be hilariously sad unless they really make mechagnomes stand out. I have my doubts about that happening.
Gnomes deserve an Allied Race variant of their model, despite how popular or unpopular they are. I'm honestly not going to hold my breath for High Elves before Gnomes and Worgen both have their own Allied Race variants. Junker Gnomes seem obvious for Gnomes at this point what with all the set-up, though compared to the Vulpera, yes, they're going to be lackluster in the lore department.
As for Worgen, I'm hoping for Saberon. Let the Alliance get something out of WoD.
10/17/2018 05:03 AMPosted by
Xyaa
But, High Elves to many are "new, unique and exciting" regardless if you, yourself cannot see how.
They're literally the same thing as blood elves.
If the horde gets vulpera and the alliance gets some sort of gnomes, how would you guys feel?
I'm pretty interested to see where the gnome bit will go especially with the rusted vault stuff in Tiragarde. The entire populace of gnomes in Kul Tiras just up and vanishes yet we can still see some of their mechs about? I think Mechagnomes sound amazing and I would probably make my current gnome one if I don't roll a fresh one just for the heritage armor.
10/17/2018 05:03 AMPosted by
Xyaa
Then by all means, go make a thread asking for these "new, unique and exciting races". Some of us might come in and show support.
Part of showing dissent against playable alliance non void elves high elves is that we believe them adding that option takes away from the "new, unique, and exciting races" in addition to the already obvious fact that the race was added back in 07 as the blood elves.
We don't have to go anywhere.....and we can show our dissent here and still post in the other threads (I do). This isn't a "if you don't like it why post here?" thing when we want to make sure Blizzard sees that it isn't a universally loved idea....cause it really is not.
Part of showing dissent against playable alliance non void elves high elves is that we believe them adding that option takes away from the "new, unique, and exciting races" in addition to the already obvious fact that the race was added back in 07 as the blood elves.
We don't have to go anywhere.....and we can show our dissent here and still post in the other threads (I do). This isn't a "if you don't like it why post here?" thing when we want to make sure Blizzard sees that it isn't a universally loved idea....cause it really is not.
What they're saying is, you'll have an easier time pushing High Elves back (I don't think they'll never be added at this point), by making big threads showing a lot of interest by the community for the inclusion of these other, unnamed, "new, interesting, exciting,' races.
You can come in here and say, "No, I want something new and interesting," all you want, but unless you get out there and start telling Blizzard what is, 'New and interesting,' to you, then all you're doing is bumping this thread and making it seem even more popular in the eyes of the Developers. "There's no such thing as bad press." The more interest in High Elves, even from those who don't want them, is just going to make them more likely to be added.
https://www.wowhead.com/bluetracker?topic=20765836893
"Ever since we found out Allied Races were a confirmed thing we've talked about the idea of who/what could be an allied race all the time. It's a never ending conversation now because of the possibilities it opens up as playable races. We actually love the large discussions it's popped up among you guys. I mean megathreads that are spanning tens of thousands of posts total across all of the capped threads? That's just cool. No other feature in WoW as an idea has had that much engagement."
10/17/2018 05:04 AMPosted by
Mythlor
Same. I'd feel terrible. I like gnomes, but we don't need more of them - it's a very, very underplayed race.
They'd likely be paired up with Vulpera, which would be hilariously sad unless they really make mechagnomes stand out. I have my doubts about that happening.
Vulpera was kind of a genius idea. They took a not very popular race, goblins, and made something very different with it. People who find vulpera appealing will often not like goblins, so it's not just a goblin variant. Plus, it adds a new aesthetic and culture to the Horde.
"Junker gnomes" or whatever are just the same gnomes, but with mechanical parts. Mechagnomes are almost the same as gnomes, but completely mechanical. I can't even think how that will work with gear...
To make matters worse, these new gnomes have not even appeared in-game yet, so we can't even gauge how popular they'd be, unlike the vulpera, which were adored by part of the fanbase the instant one appeared in the BfA trailer.
Plus, whatever-gnomes would be the third race that is just a race we know altered by some mishap or magical influence. Lightforged draenei add almost nothing, they could be just a character customization option for draenei. Void elves... are just blue blood elves. So, we now get partly- or fully-mechanical gnomes?
But this does seem like the direction we are going, with the missing gnomes from Kul Tiras, the junker gnome references in game files, Mekkatorque being put on ice after the next raid, Galliwyx's comment about Mekkatorque wanting to become a machine and Kelsey's comments on loving machines and wishing she was one.
10/17/2018 05:03 AMPosted by
Xyaa
But, High Elves to many are "new, unique and exciting" regardless if you, yourself cannot see how.
They're literally the same thing as blood elves.
I don't think you understand what "literally" means.
10/17/2018 05:03 AMPosted by
Xyaa
But, High Elves to many are "new, unique and exciting" regardless if you, yourself cannot see how.
They're literally the same thing as blood elves.
If you see it that way. But, again they are regardless if you cannot see it yourself.
If the horde gets vulpera and the alliance gets some sort of gnomes, how would you guys feel?
I'm pretty interested to see where the gnome bit will go especially with the rusted vault stuff in Tiragarde. The entire populace of gnomes in Kul Tiras just up and vanishes yet we can still see some of their mechs about? I think Mechagnomes sound amazing and I would probably make my current gnome one if I don't roll a fresh one just for the heritage armor.
10/17/2018 05:03 AMPosted by
Xyaa
Then by all means, go make a thread asking for these "new, unique and exciting races". Some of us might come in and show support.
Part of showing dissent against playable alliance non void elves high elves is that we believe them adding that option takes away from the "new, unique, and exciting races" in addition to the already obvious fact that the race was added back in 07 as the blood elves.
We don't have to go anywhere.....and we can show our dissent here and still post in the other threads (I do). This isn't a "if you don't like it why post here?" thing when we want to make sure Blizzard sees that it isn't a universally loved idea....cause it really is not.
And sure. I get not everyone loves High Elves - but asking for these new races in a High Elf thread is somewhat pointless, as you'd get more attention for this idea by creating a new thread - which prime focus is on said topic.
Plus, SC HE do not share the same lore with Blood Elves. The Silver Covanent High Elves have had large focus development within the Alliance War Campaigns.
I play a Blood Elf, the way a HE and a BE would do things are not the same- they have different thematics too. If they were, Blizzard would not have gone out of their way to create a new faction and put them on the forefront of story - which could of been replaced by any of the other races. But no, they specifically chose HE and built them up in a certain way.
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I'm pretty interested to see where the gnome bit will go especially with the rusted vault stuff in Tiragarde.
Haven't gotten there, obviously, but most mechagnomes in game barely have any unique identity or self awareness being quite literally simple robots. And they are all male. Seems like a poor choice for a playable "race".
Mekkatorque wanting to become a machine and Kelsey's comments on loving machines and wishing she was one.
Amazingly, normal (fleshy) gnomes today still possess the robotic heritage of their ancestors. Normal gnomes can be reverted back into being mechagnomes, despite those gnomes having been flesh for generations. This is not done by merely adding a supplementary spell on normal gnomes in order to transform them, but oppositely by injecting them with something that removes the Curse of Flesh.[2] Likewise, gnomes who have been turned into mechagnomes may be reverted back to their original fleshy form by injecting them with something that 'reverses the reversion' of the curse. The player has to revert several newly "mechanized" gnomes back to their former self in the quest A [71] Re-Cursive. After being mechagnomes, most of these gnomes were apparently not fond of having been so. Then again, some of the gnomes felt that being mechanized had "perfected" them.[12]
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Mechagnome
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If we're fortunate, "Junker Gnomes," will be new customization options for Gnomes unlocked by a Questline wherein Mekkatorque is freed from his icy prison by the Junker Gnomes and given some mechanical prosthetics.
I don't expect us to be that Fortunate. Besides I can't imagine what Blizzard could give the gnomes for an Allied Race variant. They might be able to go the Vulpera route and just make something entirely new out of the model, but what? Rodera? Mouse people?
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I'm pretty interested to see where the gnome bit will go especially with the rusted vault stuff in Tiragarde. The entire populace of gnomes in Kul Tiras just up and vanishes yet we can still see some of their mechs about? I think Mechagnomes sound amazing and I would probably make my current gnome one if I don't roll a fresh one just for the heritage armor.
I can answer for him, the reason why some of us dislike mechagnomes is that they aren't too different compared to regular gnomes in regards to their lore and theme.
I for one love gnomes, but why couldn't we have gotten Holy Gnomes instead? Or hobbit like nature gnomes?
Instead of a race that does what gnomes can already do, but better.
which would be fine, but compared to what Goblins get as an AR i'm sure you can see why that Idea isn't "universally loved" neither.
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10/17/2018 05:26 AMPosted by
Xyaa
I play a Blood Elf, the way a HE and a BE would do things are not the same- they have different thematics too.
https://wow.gamepedia.com/High_elf
They are quite literally the same race.
Those few remaining NPC's that didn't change their name and remained loyal to the alliance factions they were hanging out with are still part of the same kingdom with the same culture and institutions, just with different political alliances. Unless you are professing that Republicans and Democrats aren't both Americans.
In game, the name change and alliance change happened within the last 2 decades.
Alliance High Elf NPC's are bigots who are:
obstinately or intolerantly devoted to their own opinions and prejudices
especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
Because they are intolerant of their own people who chose to make friends with a new alliance that didn't have the direct history of trying to exterminate their race like Humans have. Because they formed a militant group who no longer tolerate their own kin because of this new alliance.
10/17/2018 05:26 AMPosted by
Xyaa
But no, they specifically chose HE and built them up in a certain way.
Indeed. I always felt it was rather telling how Vereesa was present in a number of situations or gatherings with the Alliance, standing among leaders as a peer. She was standing alongside Varian and Jaina during the Siege of Orgrimmar. In Legion she was present to give the Alliance player their PvP Artifact Skin along with the other Alliance racial leaders. She was the only leader there of a non-playable Alliance race.
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With Blizzcon approaching I'm sure they'll announce more than one set of new allied races. However, if the leak is true then many (not all) are going to be disappointed.
As a side note going back to DKs, wouldn't all the BE DKs technichally be high elves because they all died and we're arisen before Kaelthas renamed the populace and took in fel? I guess they renamed themselves after they rejoined the Horde after learning their people joined them.
10/17/2018 04:56 AMPosted by
Mythlor
High elves already exist, they're called blood elves. /Thread
My favorite part about this tired argument is that people just gloss over the Void Elves which are by the same argument also high elves (the race).
It's almost as if the only thing people care about is their skin color, as opposed to their history, lore, and potential customization options that Blood Elves and Void Elves don't fulfill and which High Elves (the faction) can by virtue of that history and lore that people like this post just ignore in favor of trolling players.
I like Void Elves, I have one, I plan on rolling others, but they're NOT Quel'dorei. They're Ren'dorei. And people say "If you want to play High Elves, join the Horde," those are Sin'dorei. Plus your Warchief is creepy AF.
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They are quite literally the same race.
That's literally what all Allied races so far are with respect to their base race origin.
The point is what makes them different culturally and how that might produce different aesthetic customization options.
And since a lot of people also want High Elves to come with Half-Elf options, that's more than enough "justification" for its uniqueness as far as races go.
I like Void Elves, I have one, I plan on rolling others, but they're NOT Quel'dorei. They're Ren'dorei. And people say "If you want to play High Elves, join the Horde," those are Sin'dorei. Plus your Warchief is creepy AF.
I'm on team High Elf :P
My point is that people associate High Elves with Blood Elves as opposed to the Void Elves that are RIGHT THERE, because all they see is skin color as opposed to all the lore and history that makes them who they are.
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With Blizzcon approaching I'm sure they'll announce more than one set of new allied races. However, if the leak is true then many (not all) are going to be disappointed.
As a side note going back to DKs, wouldn't all the BE DKs technichally be high elves because they all died and we're arisen before Kaelthas renamed the populace and took in fel? I guess they renamed themselves after they rejoined the Horde after learning their people joined them.
actually all player death knights canonically were members of the argent dawn before being killed and raised as death knights shortly before the events of wrath started.
The ironic thing is that it's probably the Anti-High Elf group that is keeping this discussion going longer than the Pro-High Elf group. Whenever you guys chime in it just bolsters the Pro-High Elf commenters to lend their support. If this thread had been just Pro-High Elfers, it may have died at the first thread cap or not have even reached it.
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As a side note going back to DKs, wouldn't all the BE DKs technichally be high elves because they all died and we're arisen before Kaelthas renamed the populace and took in fel? I guess they renamed themselves after they rejoined the Horde after learning their people joined them.
Player DKs are Argent Dawn members that were killed during the pre-Wrath scourge invasion.
10/17/2018 05:38 AMPosted by
Mythlor
That's literally what all Allied races so far are with respect to their base race origin.
The point is what makes them different culturally and how that might produce different aesthetic customization options.
And since a lot of people also want High Elves to come with Half-Elf options, that's more than enough "justification" for its uniqueness as far as races go.
To be fair, there's also been suggestions of underlining the High Elf connection to nature through development granting them access to Shamans and Druids. A lot of this is a result of strong friendship with the Wildhammers, and the concept that the Night Elves, having suffered a very similar near genocide to which the High Elves suffered, might be more empathetic towards their Alliance-Loyal Kin and might seek to join forces for mutual preservation.
They're literally the same thing as blood elves.
Only if you see Blood Elves as white elves in some subconscious racist perspective, and as I point earlier, it's even funnier how people just gloss over Void Elves which would make a far better counterargument as they are Blood Elves on the Alliance.
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