Pretty much what this all boils down to is not being able to accept the decisions Blizzard has made with their own lore.
*Slowly looks over into the Blue Eye thread.*
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So let me get this straight about the arguments here.
People are arguing against remodels for High Elves.... Yet suggesting that Half Elves are better... Despite being a remodel for High Elves?
Really? Is this happening?
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10/14/2018 05:51 PMPosted by
Mythlor
High Elf Death Knights would be interesting for sure.
In fact all Thalassian Death Knights being Blood Elves has always bothered me. A lot of them were raised before the rise of Blood Elves and there's no reason to assume they would just ditch the Alliance as well in favor of the Horde after being Scourge.
Kol'tira is the biggest example. He "chose" to join the Horde when he was lacking purpose despite Thassarian being his bestie there being High Elves right there in Dalaran. Bleh.
Just another lore casualty of the Blood Elf Horde integration.
10/14/2018 05:49 PMPosted by
Nixnil
Oh i see how it is. All the Antis are automatically trolls just for disagreeing with you all. Ok then, we see how it is.
Less pearl clutching, more substantive arguments.
Perhaps that explains why they are talking about doing something with the DKs at this point in time. Why bring it up at all?
Maybe because High Elves are being worked on and they decided that, lorewise, one of the class options had to be Death Knights?
I honestly don't care if they are implemented or not, but for all the people saying that they would look way too close to Blood Elves is a terrible point, look at Pandaren who look exactly the same that could choose Alliance or Horde.
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Would they find value in the ideas and ways life that lie outside of Silvermoon's walls and would this new way of life be worth fighting for as the world is brought to war?
Interesting question for sure.
High Elves ultimately have a different culture than that of Silvermoon, and it is on of tradition and honor which is being pushed aside by the current Blood Elf regime.
Their entire existence is based on that, and as such if we ever saw them enter this war (and they will inevitably), their role in the conflict will be just that... the traditional idealists.... Void Elves may be idealist (ugh) but they are hardly traditional. In fact I'd view the Void Elves as looking down on High Elves for just how rigid they are.
Ultimately High Elves share more with Human than their Blood Elf kin, so they'd represent whatever role Humans would have otherwise occupied.
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10/14/2018 05:56 PMPosted by
Gulrum
10/14/2018 05:51 PMPosted by
Mythlor
High Elf Death Knights would be interesting for sure.
In fact all Thalassian Death Knights being Blood Elves has always bothered me. A lot of them were raised before the rise of Blood Elves and there's no reason to assume they would just ditch the Alliance as well in favor of the Horde after being Scourge.
Kol'tira is the biggest example. He "chose" to join the Horde when he was lacking purpose despite Thassarian being his bestie there being High Elves right there in Dalaran. Bleh.
Just another lore casualty of the Blood Elf Horde integration.
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Less pearl clutching, more substantive arguments.
Perhaps that explains why they are talking about doing something with the DKs at this point in time. Why bring it up at all?
Maybe because High Elves are being worked on and they decided that, lorewise, one of the class options had to be Death Knights?
Yeah that makes a lot of sense actually. High elf death knights make a lot of sense since 90% of them were killed by the scourge.
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10/14/2018 05:58 PMPosted by
Ăegon
I honestly don't care if they are implemented or not, but for all the people saying that they would look way too close to Blood Elves is a terrible point, look at Pandaren who look exactly the same that could choose Alliance or Horde.
It's not a terrible point. Pandaren is a neutral race, so I think your point is terrible. If we ignore the story aspect, it would be like giving Highmountain Tauren to the Alliance, Or giving lightforged Dreanei to the Horde.
I honestly don't care if they are implemented or not. Because it at least it makes sense story wise, but those people saying they look way too similar have a valid point.
This is the song that doesn't end.
It just goes on and on my friend.
Some people started singing it
Not knowing what it was
And they'll just keep on singing it forever just because....
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Perhaps that explains why they are talking about doing something with the DKs at this point in time. Why bring it up at all?
Maybe because High Elves are being worked on and they decided that, lorewise, one of the class options had to be Death Knights?
Yeah that makes a lot of sense actually. High elf death knights make a lot of sense since 90% of them were killed by the scourge.
Yea all that happened
before Kael'thas' story and the rise of the fel (and now holy) using Blood Elves.
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10/14/2018 05:34 PMPosted by
Mythlor
Don't get cute, you know very well there are many who feel this way.
"This way"
Every person feels differently. There are shades of everything. Even people who are publicly in favor of or against something will change perspectives with different context.
You are trying to elucidate this exchange as some form of rigid tribal conflict in which only one side can exist.
This is what's happening IRL. This is just a symptom of it. This isn't about High Elves at all in the end.
The fact is, we're both on the same team against big daddy Blizzard, and although every single one of us expects different things from the same game, we all want the same overall experience: Entertainment.
And ultimately every implementation they make will only appease a subset of their playerbase. The mere fact that High Elves are popular is enough to justify them, even if only 5% of the current population rolls them. Just like only x% raids, y% pvps, z% runs warfronts a lot, a% does pet battles, b% farms achievements, c% farms allied races, d% runs the auction house, etc..
And since this is a shared experience, even those who vehemently cry out against them might still roll one if they're so inclined, because they can. I didn't want Void Elves. Got em anyway. Played them anyway.
You don't play Alliance at all? Then you're not the target market, so what you feel is already useless to Blizzard. People won't quit if something they don't like is put in the game. They do something else, unless they don't like so many things that they feel compelled to leave.
That's all I'm going to exchange with you.
What a load of horsestuff. Not the target market? You forget existing horde players opinions exist and matter. thats the entire problem with you, you are so dismissive of how anyone else feels. You are all about "how can i get what i want?" and you dont care what lore/game/players feelings you run over.
10/14/2018 05:55 PMPosted by
Drede
Pretty much what this all boils down to is not being able to accept the decisions Blizzard has made with their own lore.
*Slowly looks over into the Blue Eye thread.*
....
So let me get this straight about the arguments here.
People are arguing against remodels for High Elves.... Yet suggesting that Half Elves are better... Despite being a remodel for High Elves?
Really? Is this happening?
Half elves are an entirely different species. Same as Moknathal for example. They deserve a spot if the community and devs will it. How is that hard to grasp? They wont look like your golden haired blue eyes perfect Helves to the point that they'd be indistinguishable. So why not? I'm not against it.
This is the song that doesn't end.
It just goes on and on my friend.
Some people started singing it
Not knowing what it was
And they'll just keep on singing it forever just because....
Sounds like bad off brand Vale Decem dialogue before the song started playing.
10/14/2018 05:58 PMPosted by
Ăegon
I honestly don't care if they are implemented or not, but for all the people saying that they would look way too close to Blood Elves is a terrible point, look at Pandaren who look exactly the same that could choose Alliance or Horde.
This. Although, would be more than happy to have a new model, perhaps something closer to Lorthemar's new model, same stance for females as well.
This is the song that doesn't end.
It just goes on and on my friend.
Some people started singing it
Not knowing what it was
And they'll just keep on singing it forever just because....
Sounds like bad off brand Vale Decem dialogue before the song started playing.
10/14/2018 05:58 PMPosted by
Ăegon
I honestly don't care if they are implemented or not, but for all the people saying that they would look way too close to Blood Elves is a terrible point, look at Pandaren who look exactly the same that could choose Alliance or Horde.
This. Although, would be more than happy to have a new model, perhaps something closer to Lorthemar's new model, same stance for females as well.
A new model would be better for sure. The people who think they would look too similar can calm down and the Alliance gets some custom work and love for a change. Win win.
This is the song that doesn't end.
It just goes on and on my friend.
Some people started singing it
Not knowing what it was
And they'll just keep on singing it forever just because....
Sounds like bad off brand Vale Decem dialogue before the song started playing.
10/14/2018 05:58 PMPosted by
Ăegon
I honestly don't care if they are implemented or not, but for all the people saying that they would look way too close to Blood Elves is a terrible point, look at Pandaren who look exactly the same that could choose Alliance or Horde.
This. Although, would be more than happy to have a new model, perhaps something closer to Lorthemar's new model, same stance for females as well.
yeah.. U cant tell the panda apart unles u hover over them. Thats what were trying to avoid. Don't double down on stupid decisions.
... Sounds like bad off brand Vale Decem dialogue before the song started playing.
... This. Although, would be more than happy to have a new model, perhaps something closer to Lorthemar's new model, same stance for females as well.
yeah.. U cant tell the panda apart unles u hover over them. Thats what were trying to avoid. Don't double down on stupid decisions.
I can't tell a Human and an Orc apart in the middle of battle. It's because nameplates and health bars tell us who the enemy is, not model silhouettes.
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10/14/2018 05:34 PMPosted by
Mythlor
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"This way"
Every person feels differently. There are shades of everything. Even people who are publicly in favor of or against something will change perspectives with different context.
You are trying to elucidate this exchange as some form of rigid tribal conflict in which only one side can exist.
This is what's happening IRL. This is just a symptom of it. This isn't about High Elves at all in the end.
The fact is, we're both on the same team against big daddy Blizzard, and although every single one of us expects different things from the same game, we all want the same overall experience: Entertainment.
And ultimately every implementation they make will only appease a subset of their playerbase. The mere fact that High Elves are popular is enough to justify them, even if only 5% of the current population rolls them. Just like only x% raids, y% pvps, z% runs warfronts a lot, a% does pet battles, b% farms achievements, c% farms allied races, d% runs the auction house, etc..
And since this is a shared experience, even those who vehemently cry out against them might still roll one if they're so inclined, because they can. I didn't want Void Elves. Got em anyway. Played them anyway.
You don't play Alliance at all? Then you're not the target market, so what you feel is already useless to Blizzard. People won't quit if something they don't like is put in the game. They do something else, unless they don't like so many things that they feel compelled to leave.
That's all I'm going to exchange with you.
What a load of horsestuff. Not the target market? You forget existing horde players opinions exist and matter. thats the entire problem with you, you are so dismissive of how anyone else feels. You are all about "how can i get what i want?" and you dont care what lore/game/players feelings you run over.
No, Horde players would not be the target market for High Elves. The Alliance would be - that's the faction they'd be going on.
It's odd saying Horde players are the target market for High Elves, considering you won't be playing High Elves anyway. You'll be fighting them. Hell, you won't be seeing many around unless you PvP or are playing on the Alliance.
I don't see how the Horde is the target market for High Elves at all. If it were the case, can you explain how the Alliance is the target market for Mag'har Orcs?
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As an aside: Amusingly, Alliance players are the "target market" for the game's implementation of Blood Elves.
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10/14/2018 07:13 PMPosted by
Xyaa
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What a load of horsestuff. Not the target market? You forget existing horde players opinions exist and matter. thats the entire problem with you, you are so dismissive of how anyone else feels. You are all about "how can i get what i want?" and you dont care what lore/game/players feelings you run over.
No, Horde players would not be the target market for High Elves. The Alliance would be - that's the faction they'd be going on.
It's odd saying Horde players are the target market for High Elves, considering you won't be playing High Elves anyway. You'll be fighting them. Hell, you won't be seeing many around unless you PvP or are playing on the Alliance.
I don't see how the Horde is the target market for High Elves at all. If it were the case, can you explain how the Alliance is the target market for Mag'har Orcs?
It's not about logic for them anymore, clearly.
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What a load of horsestuff. Not the target market? You forget existing horde players opinions exist and matter. thats the entire problem with you, you are so dismissive of how anyone else feels. You are all about "how can i get what i want?" and you dont care what lore/game/players feelings you run over.
Horde? Who said anything about Horde?
Again with the tribalism.
You don't play Alliance =/= You are Horde, because most Horde players also play Alliance. Most Alliance players also play Horde.
And yes if you don't play Alliance at all, you are not the target market, because High Elves would literally have no bearing on you as a Horde-only player outside of the story which would be done by NPCs whether they are playable or not just like they have been since Burning Crusade.
And since Blizzard gave Horde access to Highmountain and Nightborne despite the Alliance explicitly intimately working with them for the entirety of the expansion (lul Turalyon-forged and nonexistent Void Elves), I'm fairly certain they appeal to specific markets when they do these things irrespective of what others might feel.
Because that's just good business. You're all players of the same game, and the same argument you use of "just play Horde" can ironically be turned around and said to you in "just play Alliance" if you want to be a High Elf... so don't count it out.
10/14/2018 07:09 PMPosted by
Joyeuse
I can't tell a Human and an Orc apart in the middle of battle. It's because nameplates and health bars tell us who the enemy is, not model silhouettes.
I half agree with this statement. I think it's pretty dang easy to tell the difference between an orc and human, but there are other cases that would make more sense (Nightborne/Nelf, Velf/Belf.)
.. Although to be fair I did once mistake a female orc for a male human from behind once.....
But I agree full heartedly in your second point. I differentiate between factions via name plates, not race. The only place I see player silhouettes being important would be in FPS games like TF2 or Overwatch where you need to recognize your threat to understand how to counter them.
Heck, even in arenas (which is a more focal small match) you can go up against your own faction. You look at team flags, not race first.
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10/14/2018 07:13 PMPosted by
Xyaa
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What a load of horsestuff. Not the target market? You forget existing horde players opinions exist and matter. thats the entire problem with you, you are so dismissive of how anyone else feels. You are all about "how can i get what i want?" and you dont care what lore/game/players feelings you run over.
No, Horde players would not be the target market for High Elves. The Alliance would be - that's the faction they'd be going on.
It's odd saying Horde players are the target market for High Elves, considering you won't be playing High Elves anyway. You'll be fighting them. Hell, you won't be seeing many around unless you PvP or are playing on the Alliance.
I don't see how the Horde is the target market for High Elves at all. If it were the case, can you explain how the Alliance is the target market for Mag'har Orcs?
As i went on to say Horde players opinions matter. Again, just typical dismissal of anyones thoughts but your own. It doesn't matter to you how Horde feels. And what about players who play both but side with antis in this argument?