Well let’s be perfectly honest, how many players in the entire fanbase had a fantasy to play fat people that can druid with stick figures OR play the standing trolls as a paladin/dinosaur druid with ABSOLUTELY OP racials that are not flavor but borderline game breaking?
Good stats btw.
What baffles me is your notion that one somehow isn’t allowed to play a Void Elf and want Playable High Elves. It’s based on incredible reduction of motivation. That somehow enjoying the Void Elf model model negates any Lore argument as for why we want High Elves. You keep bringing this point out and it is nonsensical.
I would have liked Void Elves bunches more if they were a continuation of the alliance High Elves, even if their aesthetic remained the same. I don’t dislike Void Elves for their aesthetic, I dislike them for their lore.
And very much so, Void Elves are the closest you can look to a High Elf. It’s pretty obvious what I am going for with my mog.
This doesn’t make any sense. You keep saying we can’t like the Void Elf model because somehow it makes liking High Elf lore hypocritical? Why? I find the Void Elf aesthetic cool, I have a rogue decked on heritage armor, but TBH that’s the only one that’s a Void Elf, the others, like Tal, are just cowled High Elves.
But according to you if we like High Elf lore we can’t like the VE aesthetic. That doesn’t make any sense Lydon. And let me repeat, is obvious a lot of people in here with VE chars are using them as HE stand ins, so your argument doesn’t even make sense when people are using the VE model as a poor replacement for what they really want.
You keep bringing this point up, and it never makes sense.
This is a bad faith question, cause do you really think that the people that want playable High Elves and are using VE models as stand ins wouldn’t be happy looking at least closer to what they envision? And you try to frame this as something “bad”? If they gave the “HE look” to VE’s would make pretty obvious they have no interest of adding High Elves ever, And I’m sure a lot of people would rather fold instead of screaming into the void at this point.
I would not like the scenario you propose, but at least this elf would look closer to what he is supposed to look.
Mind you, this is your hypothetical. So if I got to introduce mine, I’d rather have the SC fold into the VE’s.
What are you even talking about, do you even know the lore on High Elves? I’m not talking about your Alliance flavored High Elves either. I’m talking about the Quel’dorei. You know the ones that were responsible for summoning the Burning legion to Azeroth. The ones that were exiled to across the seas, past the Maelstrom. The ones who cared only for themselves and their ability to wield Arcane magic. Sorry but they weren’t banished because they were a bunch of magic hating tree loving hippies, trying to spread the word of Elune, to the uneducated masses. The Quel’dorei cared for themselves above all other, and they would do whatever it took to continue using the magic they so loved. The Alliance High Elves are more like the Night Elves that exiled them almost 8000 years ago. Blood Elves are the Legacy and the continuation of High Elf tradition, Alliance High Elves have the name that is all.
Do High Elves throw massive parties on the Alliance I don’t know about?
I think this has to do more with having the rug pulled out from under you, your kingdom decimated, people killed, families exiled, your source of magic corrupted and destroyed, your royalty either cut down or selling your people to demons, all while you struggle to survive because you find you’ve been addicted for thousands of years and only found out when you started withdrawals.
Nobody is going to be the same after all of this. (As an aside, I don’t trust Golden to write anything interesting for races other than humans. She has not proven to be able to do it. Knaak was fantastical and had his own problems, but at least he could write elves.)
Wait I thought blood elves were High elves…right?
Yeah, I really don’t see it. You really can’t generalize to the point to say “The Horde is not about maintaining the past or sticking to tradition” when you have races like Tauren and Orcs -who have fought tooth and nail to return to old traditions-
I think you are framing the issue in an inaccurate manner. It’s not an issue about horde values and themes, they are as varied as the races that form it.
Looking forward and moving away from tradition from survival is not a horde theme, it’s a blood elf one. So the people that suddenly are saying what you posit are not using “alliance theme flavor” to make their point, they are simply retreating from blood elven themes to claim everything they have historically been is still truth.
Which is not. Blood Elves moved forward, they continue to do so.
It’s not about Horde or Alliance themes, is about people casting the BE themes aside as to lay claim to all possibilities of what they were. And all with the intention to deny the alliance of High Elves, because admitting they have diverged would be admitting that each group has its own set of beliefs and ideology.
But yeah, it’s not about Horde or Alliance themes, it’s about the race’s itself themes, which makes it worse actually. They don’t care about what BE’s are, they just care that only they can be a Thalassian Elf.
Not all of them. Like one group of High Elves never changed their name or ended up in the Horde basically. Since then, they have further diverged, specially ideologically and politically, with the Silver Covenant being an explicitly Alliance force for several expansions.
Blood Elves are on the Horde, High Elves are on the Alliance (and some are neutral)
The addition of high elves wouldn’t hurt the blood elf story. It would enhance it. The Blood Elf heritage questline explicitly shows a people who have moved on from the past (i.e.: being High Elves).
Having playable high elves would further Blood Elf development as a distinctive race and give them an opportunity to be explored as a Horde race even further instead of being generic Tolkien elves. Not to mention, perhaps a sense of faction pride, as blood elf players would probably relish in fighting and killing high elf players in the game
Because that keeps being used over and over again as a counterargument against Alliance High Elves, but at the same time I don’t think it holds up well because it betrays an important about Blood Elves in that they have taken a new direction in life as members of the Horde.
I disagree though, the High Elves don’t just have the name but also continue the legacy of the High Elves too by honoring the friendship they had with their allies since the Second War rather than abandoning them and still maintaining the culture as well. That aspect about them should not be taken away.
I really don’t get how the idea of a massive civil war is uninteresting to some people.
Kinda lost here, is this another I want alliance high elf thread or is it more a i want more blood elf customization?
High Elves are also the legacy and continuation of High Elf tradition. They both are. That’s the point.
They are different directions, but they are both directions that Thalassians took. I agree that Blood Elves would be the “truer” continuation perhaps, by numbers and territory alone, but that doesn’t mean High Elves aren’t “a” continuation.
They share the same past, but they observe and follow different ideologies of that past.
I mean, read the OP, it’s the least you can do if you are going to leave an opinion, read what the thread is about.
Well, that furthers the case for a civil war. Both sides claim to be the true successors to the legacy. Just as how the People’s Republic of China and the Republic of China (Taiwan) claim to be the true Chinese state
Honestly, if you cared about the High Elves as a race, you’d be playing the Blood Elves because this is the continuation of those people. The homeland, the Sunwell, the traditions and heritage are all there.
Obviously they have gone through hell to maintain that, but every High Elf, now a Blood Elf or not, went through hell. But it was the Blood Elves who rebuilt themselves to sustain their legacy, even if it did cost them much.
If you want to say this is what makes the High Elves different culturally, that would be plenty accurate, but as so far in this game we have not seen High Elves develop or advance their own storyline for themselves.
Either Blizzard is happy with the few remnants just supporting the Alliance in the background, or they don’t feel like writing another take on Thalassians describing what are essentially the losers of a civil war.
They’re High Elves in name, but they are not the high elven people. What and who they are now are simply Alliance loyalists, and that in and of itself is not defining. It’s merely a trait.
Most High Elves could be swapped with humans right now and it would make little difference narratively because High Elves simply don’t have an identity divergent enough from their human allies at this point to have meaningful impact.
Their most recent appearance was at the gates of the Nighthold, pretty much only to be snubbed with this fact.
I would love Blizz to do something with them, but I’m afraid any real Blizzard effort on High Elves identity will be a far cry from what is idealized here.
Basically ever civil war ever tbh. Granted, sometimes one side is objectively bad, but that’s the thing, both sides represent different ideologies from within the same culture.
The Tauren are the most traditionalist Horde member, but the thing is that’s because they are meant to represent the “heart” of the Horde that keeps it stable and together through tough times. Blizzard botches that concept but that is what I think their role in the Horde is meant to be.
The Orcs though, there is indeed an element of that, but it’s also marred by the fact that they have a very turbulent history, going from the Old Horde to the New Horde, which does show a change of culture. The Orcs also seem to change based on who is leading them, and there is a strong cultural conflict between being honorable and loyal. Whether or not the Orcs are monsters or noble savages is still something that’s up for debate even today.
But the Alliance is definitely far more about establishing order and stability, and maintaining tradition. It has even been there as a faction description for them since the inception of the two faction system.
The Alliance consists of four races - the noble humans, the adventurous dwarves, the enigmatic night elves, and the ingenious gnomes. Bound by generations of blood and honor, these races seek to bring order to the ravaged kingdoms of the war-torn world.
They were questions not opinions.
Edit* don’t worry about it ill just take my leave.
No because Blood Elves will never fulfill the fantasy of High Elves as classic Alliance allies who work with the Humans and Dwarves, them being allies with Orcs and Tauren and Undead will always make them their own different fantasy of elf.
TBH this entire post is a rehash of previous discussions, so really to save time and word count I’ll just respond with ‘well obviously the people supporting this idea disagree with you.’