That’s always been a naked ambition.
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Titans are Order (Arcane), not light.
Chaos is Fel, not Void.
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The problem is not the demand itself, it’s the intention of the people behind it, three of them were trying to derail our thread some time ago.
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The addition of the High Elves would be an interesting opportunity to address this. For example, in older material, High Elves did not have glowing eyes, and they came in a variety of colors. Alleria’s original eye color was green, for example.
With the addition of the High Elves using different colored eyes that are non-glowing, we could learn through simple NPC dialogue that the glowing quality of the eyes of the Blood Elves is a result of tapping into a source of magic to empower themselves. Originally this was a result of draining mana from living beings, but now is from drawing on the Sunwell actively, as opposed to passively.
Mind you that’s an example of where it could go. Nothing is set in stone because nothing has really had to be developed in the past.
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Who said anything about a pronounced difference. Also not all physiological or Biological changes show on the outside. Also there was a difference in how both groups dealt with their withdrawal symptoms. Blood Elves drained mana from living creatures and magical objects. High Elves never drained magic from anything. They either meditated, used magical tattoos, or their symptoms were lessened by being in the vicinity of the ambient magic of artifacts.
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Their skin color changed too. High Elves are not reddish/pinkish, they’re pale white. Blood Elves are reddish/pinkish.
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Blood Elves have much more red in their skin and hair tones than High Elves do. Red is one manifestation of fel-poisoning, green is another. Just look at the Fel Orcs of Outland, for example.
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Hey our skin after many years, absorbed to much red lipstick and hair dye. It was bound to happen eventually you know. If it was because of fel we would be looking a bit greener, Arcane we would be feeling blue.
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haha 
/10char
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The lore has changed along the way and is constantly evolving, but the problems with the implementation of the High Elves is that we have two types of Thalassian Elves playable already and that the High Elves unfortunately don’t have much to offer that the Blood Elves already don’t.
Blizzard arguably made a mistake with the Blood Elves in the eyes of some. I don’t think so, but I do think they made a mistake with the Void Elves. It’s not that I don’t want the High Elves added as a playable race, I just don’t think that the High Elves bring anything special to the table considering that it’s going to take a lot of work to reshape 20+ years of lore that has essentially established the HElves and BElves as the same race of Thalassian Elf.
–And yes, the Blood Elves seem to have more of a red-ish tint to their skin, but is this enough of a physical difference to warrant them being added as a playable race above other potential candidates, especially when we now have the Void Elves as well?
I really believe that we aren’t going to see playable High Elves. I think Blizzard sealed their door shut for the last time when they added Void Elves. Regardless of how popular the High Elves seem to be, it wouldn’t be unreasonable to assume that Blizzard doesn’t want to add them because they would have the least amount of physical differences between them and any other Allied Race.
I’m not a fan of what the Allied Races can bring us. I don’t think that the Void Elves, Lightforged Draenei, Highmountain Tauren and Mag’har deserve a spot. I don’t even really like the idea of the Kul Tiran being an Allied Race because it is a different culture of Human. The only reason why the Kul Tiran stands out as being so different when it comes to their rig is because character customization in WoW is very limited.
If Blizzard was going to give the Alliance some type of Thalassian Elf, they should have went with the High Elves because the Void Elves feel like an ahrse-pull (at least, in my opinion). Sure, they resonated well with the tale being told in Argus, but the High Elves have a stronger history with the Alliance. The Lightforged Draenei feel just as bad in my opinion because the Broken could have offered a much more satisfying spot as an Allied Race, considering that they have history with the Draenei we play as and they could have offered a playable Rogue and Warlock at the expense of losing the Monk and Paladin. The Lightforged Draenei, in spite of having their essence reshaped by the light, kind of feel like lighter skinned Draenei with glowing eyes with access to the same classes as the standard Draenei… just less of them.
I’ve been around since Warcraft I and have played all of the RTS games, including every single era of WoW, so I definitely appreciate the High Elves. However, I just don’t see it happening now after the decisions that Blizzard has made.
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See, I disagree. By playing to the lore of the High Elves (their loyalty to their allies, their allies being their strength), the High Elves can provide something no elf race in this game can. Shamans. The High Elves have historic friendships with the Wildhammers, and with the High Elves in the Hinterlands abandoning the practice of magic, it’s not out of the question that they could learn Shamanism from their friends and allies, the Wildhammers.
I mean… Void Elves. Didn’t really seem to have much work put into them at all. They’re basically blue Blood Elves.
What warrants High Elves being an addition is more than visual distinction. Their presence in the story (especially Alliance content), popular demand by players, and their unique connections to several different Alliance races which would all benefit from their inclusion and exploration of these seeded relationships, all warrant their addition. I don’t just mean Humans and Dwarves. Relations between Night Elves and High Elves have been thawing over the game’s lifespan, and now especially the Night Elves are in a position where every friendly race counts. Draenei settlers in the Hinterlands have moved into the High Elven lodge. Even Void Elves are seen interacting with High Elves, and they desperately need more work, as well as friendly relationships with existing Alliance races.
This is something rather unique about High Elves, an intrinsic part of their value. They’re as core a part of the Alliance as Humans or Dwarves, but they have so many more connections to races that DON’T fit into the Alliance, that they are the only organic selection to help those races fit in better. This is something no other potential Allied Race for the Alliance has.
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This ^^^^ very much so. This guy is from an RP perspective has Quel’dorei origin and is a Summoner like the Silver Covenant guy and not a Warlock per say.
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This ^^ x2 ![:confounded:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/confounded.png?v=6" ":confounded:")
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Don’t get me wrong, I have absolutely no issue with the lore on the High Elves being developed in order to cultivate something more unique, but I think Blizzard’s major problem with the High Elves concerns their physical appearance and their stern decision on the High Elves being the exact same race as the Blood Elves.
The Void Elves… worked… I guess, because Blizzard pulled some lore out of a hat to (edit) fabricate something different enough from the Thalassian Elves to warrant them being playable as an Allied Race in their minds. It seems that Blizzard wants a potential candidate to have somewhat significant physical differences from any of the currently playable races as well, so Blizzard’s currently stern stance against implementing the High Elves makes me believe that they don’t consider a few shades of skin colour and eye colour to be significant enough.
I agree that the High Elves’ presence in Warcraft’s lore is extremely significant, but it seems that Blizzard doesn’t believe that it is enough and that is unfortunately what matters right now. Because we have the Blood Elves and now the Void Elves playable, I think that if and when Blizzard gets around to making the High Elves playable… they’re going to end up getting some sort of physical overhaul as well – which is fine, I guess.
You see, in spite of me disagreeing with Callistus when he attempts to ‘correct’ people that claim High Elves and Blood Elves are the same race (in spite of Blizzard feeling otherwise), I’m not oblivious when it comes to the significance of the High Elves in the lore and their importance in the history of the Alliance. I just don’t inordinately exaggerate their physical differences and attempt to portray the High Elves as having a vastly different culture than the Blood Elves, because attempting to claim that the High Elves are vastly different from the Blood Elves forsakes their shared history as Thalassian Elves. The High Elves were a minority of Thalassian Elves that didn’t want to break their loyalty with the Alliance and dishonor their history with them. They also didn’t experience any exposure to fel energy and seem to be against the idea of using it, even if it was merely used to power constructs in Silvermoon. These are both extremely significant pieces of neo High Elf lore, but they still don’t end up creating two grievously different factions of Thalassian Elves. With the Sunwell restored, the Blood Elves have essentially returned to being the Elves they once were and don’t need or use fel energies (aside from Warlocks, of course). No, this doesn’t entirely erase their past decisions to side with the Horde and use fel energy, but the lines have become even more blurred now.
It’s important to take note of the divergent paths in their histories, but quite a few people seem to undermine the fact that the Blood Elves and High Elves, being the exact same race of Thalassian Elf, share an overwhelming majority of history, values, lifestyles and so on. A few years of time, a major faction war and minor exposure to fel energy are going to create some significant cultural and political (primarily political) differences, but I feel like said differences are being blown way out of proportion in this thread.
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Truth be told, several large scale wars is pretty harmful to relationships cross factions. Just look at the history of the Sunreavers. All it took was one bad egg to get the entirety of the group kicked out of the city and reluctantly accepted back a while later. (And caused a huge divide between Dalaran’s leadership.)
Not to mention the Sunreavers and Silver Covenant constantly chomping at the bit at each other- finally coming at a head at the purge of Dalaran and the Isle of Thunder.
Yeah, people can put aside their differences, but old hatreds die hard.
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-Looks at Lightforged Draenei, Nightborne, and Highmountain Tauren-
I don’t see it.
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Silvermoon is a totalitarian state employing mind-control to quell dissent.
Blood Elves think lowly of other races - even their allies, seeing as how they insult Night Elves by comparing them to Trolls, or looking at the couple taking pictures in Zandalar.
They’re still power-hungry, even with this new Sunwell - the reliquary is still active and doing “archaeology” in search for more power.
Arcane Magic is the bread and butter of Blood Elf daily life, and there’s at least one sizable group of High Elves that have entirely abandoned the practice.
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Thinking about this more now, this is perhaps one of the biggest cultural differences between High and Blood Elves.
Ever since they split, High Elves have lived with, mingled with and depended on their allies.
The Highvale Elves have a deep friendship with the Wildhammer.
The Allerian Stronghold Elves are deeply tied to humans and dwarves - the Stronghold itself is stated to be symbol of this Alliance.
And the Silver Covenant are the Alliance’s main representatives in Dalaran whenever the Kirin Tor are having an aneurysm and letting the Horde in. They were the Alliance’s hosts in Northrend, they were the Alliance’s main force on Thunder Isle, and they were a big part of the efforts on the Broken Isles.
Must anything be said about the High Elves in Theramore or Stormwind?
Meanwhile, the Blood Elves were ready and willing to jump ship in Mists - not just leaving the Horde, mind you, but become directly opposed to it.
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Ugh looks like I need to lay the smackdown on the same countered arguments again…
The countered arguments bear repeating:
They are biologically the same race - Not relevant because they exist on both factions, and have cultural and political differences. Pandaren exist on both factions as well and stand as an example that this is not a relevant argument. And before anyone erroneously claims Blizzard thinks Pandaren were a mistake, in truth, no current Blizzard employee has ever said such a thing as far as we know. After leaving Blizzard, a former employee once said he thought they were a mistake, but that is one former employee’s opinion and not one ever corroborated by anyone while employed at Blizzard.
They look the same - They don’t have to. Simple things like a unique idle stance, different hair styles, and different customization options all address the silhouette issue and none of those things require any sort of physiological or magical excuse to justify. Also, currently a Void Elf in full armor has an identical silhouette to a Blood Elf in the same full armor. A unique idle stance alone would make the High Elf silhouette noticeably different from either.
High Elves detract from the Blood Elf story - No they really don’t. High Elves have their own story to tell that has nothing to do with Blood Elves beyond the point of their split. That is the story that High Elves have to tell and should be focused on.
High Elves are already playable on the Horde - Blood Elves are playable on the Horde. The High Elves being asked for currently exist as NPC’s on the Alliance faction. We are asking for those High Elves to be made playable.
There is no logical justification to oppose playable Alliance High Elves.
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We have five active Allied Races Megathreads right now:
Alliance : High Elf, Sethrak;
Horde : Vulpera, San’layn, Ogres;
But, even Alliance asking for only two races, both threads have lots of trolling, rage and Horde fanboys. I mean, people are asking for literally Snake humanoids, and yet the Horde are complaining about it? I mean… REALLY?!?!
Meanwhile Horde requests threads have little to no trolling. Why this is happening? Alliance is not allowed to have anything they want?
I can bet, if Alliance ask for any cool unique race in the future, people will complain about it. Horde fanboys think that Alliance should only receive ugly races that look worse than core ones, and seeing that Blizzard is following the same trend, we can see they’re also Horde biased.
That’s why I’ll be here regardless of what those trolls say, because they don’t give a … about our request, they’re here just to push the Horde fanboy agenda. It doesn’t matter which race Alliance ask for, if it looks cool, unique or appealing Alliance don’t deserve it.
I don’t even know if I’ll be able to be an Alliance raider ever again, but High Elves are a dream for me since I played Warcraft RTS series, and I’ll not let the best opportunity to get them go way without a fight.
This is our chance, and the trolls are here because they know it.
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