The Unofficial High Elf Discussion Megathread

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8370

Draenei were quadruple-genocided.

First, when only a fraction of them escaped Argus, and then were hunted down over 15,000 years.

Then the Horde genocided most of them in Draenor.

Then a lot of them turned Broken, and the blood elves and illidari hunted them down, and then a lot also died in the Exodar’s crash.

And now during Legion, Exodar is invaded, and later the Draenei muster most of their forces to invade Argus.

They became playable after the first three genocides, BTW.

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8371

Regardless, Telogrus Rift is soaked in void energies, and we don’t know what kind of effect that has on local time. Portals are the Warcraft equivalent of wormholes and blackholes, which warp spacetime.

8372

I just confirmed Silver Covenant Barracks in Wintergarde keep and Arcane Sanctums in both Allerian Holde and Wintergarde keep…

This means as per RTS Warcraft rules there are enough Quel’dorei to conquer Azeroth.

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8373

It’s interesting to see your motivated reasoning work in the opposite direction.

“Void Elves gonna die because they got no one.”
Shadows: “ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!”

8374

Oh, do Blood Elves mature faster than High Elves now too?

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8375

No, but being 90% of the surviving elves after the Scourge attack means Blood Elves can afford to lose far more people then High Elves.

8376

You fundamentally didn’t understand what I stated a couple posts ago. I’d recommend a re-read. Edit: And you’ve also clearly been ignoring Alamara’s points about population.

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8377

Then we have Darkspear, who where almost wiped out by Murlocs. Then by Admiral Delen Proudmoore. Then by a Civil War/Coup. Then from rebelling against Garrosh.

Then we have Tauren who where almost wiped out by the Centaur.

Then we have a single boat of Goblins that sank.

Blood Elves can’t even hold their own land without the Forsaken’s help and Needed the Silver Covenant’s help to stop the Amani in Cataclysm.

And them being 9% was before Keal took a large group of them and before large chunks of them started becoming withered.

The most conservative estimates puts them around 7% with the harshest around 5% of their original population.

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8378

With the Void, anything IS possible. :wink:

8379

That’s still more then High and Void Elves combined.

8380

this makes no sense. the silver covenant are blood elves. just because they are loyal to the alliance doesnt mean they wont help defend their people back home or let some trolls take over the sunwell :thinking:

8381

In the case of the goblins, I need to make a correction. While the initial wave of goblins came with Galliwyx’s boat, there were several more boats from Kezan (you see some of them while questing in Tanaris), as well as more Bilgewater operations over the world. So, the goblins are more numerous than what their starting experience may imply.

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8382

So?

You where just talking about how they have more to waste when it’s clearly not the case.

8383

I think the issue is, the Blood Elves HAVE lost far more people than High Elves.

Firstly, of the survivors of Quel’Thalas from the Third War, 10% would retake the name High Elves, be exiled to Quel’Lithien in the Eastern Plaguelands, and then largely become Wretched.

So, Blood Elves’ original numbers are now down to 90%.

But wait, there’s more!

Kael’thas took the strongest 15% of the survivors as his force when he went to seek aid from the Alliance. This number would be subjected to suicide missions by Garithos, the Outland campaign in which Blood Elves were literally throwing themselves into the meat grinder of the Black Temple’s front gates, and then another campaign by Illidan to Northrend, which was ultimately lost. So, three campaigns later, and what happens? The Scryers defect, which is noted as the largest loss of manpower Kael’thas ever suffered. The rest? Suffering another failed campaign in Outland as Kael’thas joins the Legion.

Let’s be generous and say out of the 15% Keal’thas took after the Third War, 5% of that returned to rejoin Quel’Thalas.

The Blood Elves are now at 80% of the survivals from the Third War. Or, more likely, closer to 75% considering the playable Blood Elves were involved in fighting for the Horde and Kael’thas stormed through Silvermoon to grab M’uru.

So we’re down to 75% of the survivors of the Third War.

What next? The Northrend Conflict arrives! The Blood Elves are forced into it thanks to Sylvanas, while still recovering from a costly Civil War with Kael’thas. Worse, Aethas is taking a number who become the Sunreavers and decide working with the Humans, Dwarves, and Gnomes is so much better than living in Quel’Thalas.

Let’s be generous again and say this is a 5% loss, which brings us down to 70% of the survivors of the Third War.

So next comes the Cataclysm and Garrosh’s reign as Warchief, depleting the defenses of Quel’Thalas to the point that when the Amani resurface, Halduron has to call on High Elves for help. I’m going to err on the side of generosity and say there was no significant loss during Cataclysm.

So, still sitting at about 70%.

Mists of Pandaria comes around and Lor’themar is reconsidering joining the Alliance because Garrosh has been throwing Blood Elf lives away as fodder for his war, suggesting casualties were unacceptable. Lor’themar goes off on his own to the Isle of Thunder, and is present for the Siege of Suramar during which there are casualties since Sylvanas offers to raise the fallen Blood Elves.

Going to say 10% probably lost here, since Lor’themar would have had to of been pushed hard to reconsider the Alliance. So, the Blood Elves are now down to 60% of the survivors of the Third War.

We move on to Warlords of Draenor where Liadrin leads Blood Knights to Draenor to support the Draenei. I’m going to be generous and say there aren’t many casualties here, since nothing drastic was noted.

Move on to Legion where the Blood Elves are aiding multiple class hall orders. Again, no major casualties noted, so I’m not going to say any where lost.

Now we’re at Battle for Azeroth. Nothing yet to suggest a lot of Blood Elves are being lost, but we know there was a, ‘suspiciously large amount,’ of them in Dazar’alor, meaning they’d have been present during the Alliance’s attack. Liadrin led forces in the Battle for Stromgarde, and we saw one in the Darkshore Trailer suggesting that there are some out there getting mauled by the Night Elves as well.

Depending on where BFA goes, the Blood Elves could be dropping another 10%, estimated.

In other words, by BFA’s ending, being generous in population estimations, the Blood Elves will have depleted nearly half of their numbers from after the Third War. This doesn’t even take into account the loss of the Void Elves, or the fact more Blood Elves may be defecting and becoming Void Elves. The Blood Elves could well be below 50% of the survivors of the Third War before this expansion is over.

TL;DR - Population numbers are nonsense, as right now there shouldn’t be enough Horde and Alliance left to fight over so much as a block of cheese as a war.

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8384

Why would it affect the balance? What incentive would Horde players with established guilds, raiding scene, and characters, have to faction swap? It’s not like the Horde would lose Blood Elves if Alliance gained High Elves so what would be gained by faction swapping?

If anything a Horde player loses things by faction swapping, and High Elves would still require a rep grind to to unlock while Blood Elves are unlocked by default.

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8385

High and Void Elves are the minority. Period.

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8386

ppl still trying to gte HE in game even when dev stated BE are in game…as BE?

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8387

that is an old argument. Don’t bring it up. it has been stated before and pointed out that ion doesn’t understand the lore anyway nor do blood elves cover the high elf fantasy.

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8388

i know i feel like im mugatu and zoolander just debuted magnum

le tigre? blue steel? Ferrari? THEYRE THE SAME THING :man_shrugging::woman_shrugging:

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8389

This and you forgot a large number of them became Wretched.

And that matters why?

And it still has nothing to do with what you where saying.

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