Umbric is new, so it’s not like he’s going to have an expansive background. He does, like the void elves, have a ton of potential that’s being weaved in like the other allied races and expanded upon.
Whereas Vereesa’s literally only there to satisfy the Windrunner sister story that’s kinda flat right now until we actually see some interaction between Alleria and Sylvanas…the only two of the sisters that really matter right now.
You see, I actually did that, and her personality gives me nothing more than “she didn’t like humans but now she does”.
I’m not ignoring her story, Im asking a question none of you can seem to answer. What are her character traits? What is she like? Is she brash? Impatient? Hateful? Lustful? Distant? Anything other than an elf that’s been through a lot? How does all this affect her mentally? What makes her stand out?
Let me give you an example, out of all the windrunner sisters, Sylvanas stands out because she has a personality. She’s impatient, ruthless, merciless, practically a warmonger, selfish, rude, sharp tongued, etc.
While none of those may be desirable traits, they make her stand out and thus: interesting.
Why didn’t Umbric and rest of his Void Elves had a hard time trying to be accepted within the Alliance? Only kind of inner conflict was with the church in Stormwind and that was it. There wasn’t any inner conflict of distrust with Void Elves and other Alliance Races that distrust their dark abilities, Heck Jaina even accepted Umbric without having a second thought of what just happened during the Purge of Dalaran in terms of Thalassian Sin’dorei Blood Elves since Umbric and his Void Elves were once SIn’dorei Blood Elves.
Again your only saying the same thing to Umbric what your doing with Vereesa. I mean atleast Vereesa is Human. Atleast Vereesa after dealing with alot crap within her life of being exiled, being threated by her own kin AKA Blood Elves, Had good Husband and was broken when he died still can’t get over the loss of being a One Parent with two kids, and atleast try to give her sisters like Sylvanas reason. So only Two Windrunners that have a story and is human are Alleria and Vereesa. Sylvanas is flat out a bore. Even I used to play horde alot until legion came still thinks Sylvanas being Warchief was dumb and is the reason why the Horde Faction as a whole lost its identity.
Vereesa is a brash, courageous and passionate ranger who dared to challenge blood elf government and take leadership of the biggest remaining high elf group. She’s a loving wife and mother who struggled with loss and depression, almost abandoning everything due to hopeless, but managed to recover before she went too far. She carries a lot of regrets and guilt, and still keeps going on. She holds a grudge against Lor’themar and specially Rommath. She believes the blood elves can be redeemed. She’s loyal and fierce, and was willing to go to depths of hell to save her sister Alleria.
Come on, the Three Sisters comic shows a lot more personality in Vereesa than Sylvanas. While her two sisters are the focus of the story, she’s the only one there to actually show character growth and emotions that aren’t anger and spite.
No reason to be one-dimensional. Umbric is literally defined by the color of the magic he casts.
I’ve been having some thoughts on the High Elf situation so I think this is the best place to put them. This will probably be a bit off topic.
Generally I am staunchly anti helf however I think compromise is better than being extremely stubborn. My main issue is that it’s essentially just lifting a Horde race with most likely better customization choices.
I would welcome the ability for Velves to get standard High Elven customization options if Blood Elves got the option for some Fel Blood Elf customization. Making it feel like a trade instead of making one side feel like they are losing something.
Come on, the Three Sisters comic shows a lot more personality in Vereesa than Sylvanas.
Here’s where it gets unfair, Umbria has BARELY had enough time to establish himself as a prominent character, let alone be featured in a comic. In game, Vereesa hasn’t exhibited any of these traits, so it’s unfair to compare the two. Especially when, again, neither of them have much character in the game. Blizzard seems to have trouble keeping things consistent and interesting when they’re not at the focus of the story.
Umbric is literally defined by the color of the magic he casts.
That’s like me saying Vereesa is literally defined by the colors she wears, untrue and shallow.
That was from Bellona.
Here’s the thing. Will Void Elves stay as Pure Original White Skin Elves if Quel’dorei Options will made for them? Will there be Half Elf Options throw in the mix? Will there also be Ranger Theme Heritage Armor something that is unique than just being shirtless Blue Elves with no Chest Armor and Ununique Helmet?
Same thing goes with Fel Blood Elf options will they have more options than just Fel Red Skin? Will they also have different kind of Heritage Armor like Blood Mage one if Fel Blood Elves were made as an option for Blood Elves?
Only if you ignore everything about her.
Umbric’s very name is a reference to his magic. It means “shadowy”. He has no family, no background beyond “exile for studying void”. His entire motivation when we met him was to master the Void. Sure, he’s polite, calm and collected, and those are personality traits. But, beyond that, he has nothing but “uses the Void as a tool”.
Weird, I quoted her, not you. I’ll fix it.
And that’s Blizzard’s fault. Blizzard chose to present him in a half-assed scenario without even caring to make a short story or anything else to flesh his character.
If they can’t present a well-rounded character, why should we care about him? And what could make us think that he will deeply fleshed out? For all we know, he could go turncoat next patch and become a tertiary raid in the N’Zoth raid.
Only if you ignore everything about her.
Which is why I wrote
untrue and shallow
But you removed that, for whatever reason. It’s the same thing with Umbric, he has plenty of character traits. Ambitious, master of self-restraint, strong willed, and also has a tragedy of his own. Being banished from his home because of his thirst for knowledge.
Don’t pretend like characters don’t have traits just because you dislike where they come from.
And:
he’s polite, calm and collected, and those are personality traits
You can’t list personality traits and then say they don’t matter because he’s still whatever. The discussion is about characters personalities, not what they are or what they’ve been through.
And that’s Blizzard’s fault. Blizzard chose to present him in a half-assed scenario without even caring to make a short story or anything else to flesh his character.
In game, Vereesa is presented as no more interesting. Which is my point
No, that’s the generic archetype for all void elves. That’s like as if I listed ranger traits as something special about Vereesa. “Ah, she likes nature, is a good scout…”
Or the archetype of a high elf: “Oh, she’s an exile who chose her integrity over her well-being and rejected to rely on sucking magic off living beings…”
Using void elf archetype to describe Umbric does not make him unique. It makes him generic.
It’s just too little. I described his entire personality in that phrase.
You never bothered to read her quest text and dialogues, right?
It’s just too little. I described his entire personality in that phrase.
You can say that, doesn’t really make it true, as I gave you his personality traits
No, that’s the generic archetype for all void elves. That’s like as if I listed ranger traits as something special about Vereesa. “Ah, she likes nature, is a good scout…”
It doesn’t make it invalid. Of course he’d have that archetype, he is one of the leaders of the Void elves???
You still haven’t given me anything that was seen INGAME that makes Vereesa special. “Quest dialogue” is not evidence. Unless you cite something legitimate, your argument is completely moot. She is not interesting in the slightest.
Just some of it:
Defying danger and willing to aid her former bethren because she loves her home:
Suramar questline, about the Horde:
If you a blood elf player in the Thas’dorah questline:
Seeking her sister (going to Argus questline):
There’s a lot more. And I mean a lot more. There’s a lot of recorded dialogue in the Isle of Thunder scenarios. There’s her reaction to Orestes’ death in the Thas’dorah scenario. There’s her quest text in the Purge of Dalaran event.
But it’s hard to get all those in the internet just to please you. Go play the game and see for yourself.
Again, High Elves are not a Horde race.
Blizzard didn’t even bother to give Umbric a real name, a proper Elven one, really, they named a Void Elf “shadow”, but in a different way! wow! So inspiring! What about giving him a surname, something subtle and not dumb, hmm… what about “Shadowseeker”! Contract me Blizzard.
Yet it’s alright for Alliance to lose their unique Purple Elves eh? Since I can’t imagine what else you are losing other than a skin color variant.
Do you lose the ability to play Blood Elves on Horde? Do you lose the ability to make a unique Green eyed/Gold Eyed Elf? Are Class options for Blood Elves suddenly locked should High Elf customization become playable on Alliance?
What is it exactly that is lost other than skin color, of which Alliance side has already lost a skin color uniqueness?
Can’t be race either since Void Elves are Thalassians too.
Defying danger and willing to aid her former bethren because she loves her home:
Love for her homeland? Sounds like a generic thalassian elf. According to you that’s not interesting.
That first wall of text was barely Vereesa talking.
For the record, I counseled against trusting any Horde in this campaign. I have lost a husband and a King to the treachery of the Horde.
I see no reason to trust you now or ever
“I hate the Horde” how intriguing
It is no small matter for me to seek the aid of a blood elf. Your leaders have turned their backs on the sacrifices made by my family and so many others.
I thought she thought blood elves were redeemable?
I don’t care what horrors lie on Argus. If there is even a chance we find Alleria there, I am with you.
Courageous, another interesting trait ![:roll_eyes:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/roll_eyes.png?v=6" ":roll_eyes:")
There’s a lot more. And I mean a lot more.
Well if it’s all like that I guess you’re just very easily entertained.
I mean That’s why He’s Kael’thas 2.0 without the Charm of Kael. He has no Thalassian Blood Elf Last name. Just his first name. Atleast I know Vereesa well. Because not only is she a Windrunner but also a Strong Woman who went through tough life, who experienced love, sadness, friendship in hard times and etc.
Umbric just doesn’t have any of those other than just willing to help the Alliance of course.
If you’re just going to handwave away any and every example of her personality (and be insulting in the process), why bother having this discussion at all?
You’re obviously not willing to take any examples presented as “valid” so what’s the point of trying?