Its hypocritical because none of you actually give s single flying rat about how we feel. Just that its reasonable to you so all others must be wrong.
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Go re-read Primer, then come back and dismiss our feelings about the matter and look at me with a straight face. You are getting pushback on what should be a reasonable idea to you. Why? because others dont agree and we arent all trolls obviously. So think of others.
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None of you ever talk about why it is unreasonable. Some of you either say you just donât like the alliance getting high elves while others try to bring up incorrect or inaccurate lore as justifications not to add them.
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It is a bad marketing move to sell people one thing and then change it into something incompatible with the narratives and ideas that those customers created a fanbase around. Even entry-level marketing executives know this.
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You know, as someone that has spent the time making mock-ups of HE models that use the NE one as bases, for the sole reason of not taking exclusivity away from the Horde which while is not something I agree, is something I understand, I have to tell you you are making a lot of assumptions.
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Gonne give you an example for you to dismiss outright despite it being how i personally feel.
It will blur the lines further than they already are. I want to keep faction identity and this would just be another addition to destroy it.
I donât think there are enough differences to warrant it
The High Elf Story continue with the Blood Elves and should stay that way.
Just a couple from me personally.
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Well welcome to WoW? There are retcons everywhere. And WoW was never a High Elf might be playable one day sell. Those were your personal presumptions and hopes.
1: âHigh Elves are different enough from Blood Elves!â
sorry but they are. Physically it is unreasonable to assume everyone of a race has the same exact body type and build. Beyond other genetic differences such as thousands of years of mixed human ancestry resulting in things such as being 1/8 or 1/10 human.
3: "High Elvesâ lore and history is rich enough to stand alone!
This is not exactly a reason to dismiss high elves just because they share a history with blood elves. and regardless as has been pointed out a majority of the high elves we are asking for diverged from quelâthelas thousands of years ago.
5: âHigh Elves chose not to feed on demonic magic! They sated their magical addiction through other means! Their culture is so different!â
The feeding on fel energy isnât really what defines them having a different culture. What makes them different is that high elves essentially live like commoners while the vast majority of surviving blood elves are casual nobility of silvermoon.
6: âWe can make High Elves different enough from Blood Elves! Look at all these tattoos and tribal motifs we made! Void Elves are not what we want!â
Blood elves very much reject this part of their society and see it as a past era. Those that remain are looked down upon and shunned. Just talk to NPCs in silvermoon. They do not think highly of the farstriders.
7: âYou say thereâs not enough High Elves left, but thereâs even less Void Elves, yet they are an Allied Race!â
As for the population argument it is debunked by current lore. While no official numbers exist the potential is there for there to be anywhere from a few thousand to tens of thousands of high elves within the alliance. (yes dalaran is still technically an alliance member despite often being neutral in conflicts)
The other arguments I simply see as having no bearing on the current discussion as it has evolved and they are usually not brought up except by new members to the discussion that have not been around the past year or so.
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We were sold the Alliance. Some players invested themselves into the Hordeâs narrative instead. The Alliance included High Elves as a core and playable part of the faction until TFT faded after its peak. If you boot the game up, theyâre still there as part of the Alliance. Iâll bet some of the people who want to play High Elves didnât even play the RTS campaigns and just remember the Alliance units that they identified with when climbing the ladder.
Do remember that Blizzard employees have said they want players to identify with their factions.
Iâm not saying we were sold High Elves specifically. Iâm saying we were sold an Alliance with High Elves in it.
Thereâs nothing wrong with requesting them or talking about them. The only thing opposing the idea of playable High Elves does is make fans of Warcraft feel bad for enjoying the game all of us are playing together. Itâs toxic and sours the environment.
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When doing the blood elf heritage armor quest, Liadrin says âThere you will see how the fall of the Sunwell began. And with it, the last act of the High Elves.â Thatâs because they were renamed Blood elves. And the racist alliance snubbed them after the tradgedy, and the horde welcomed them. You had your chance. You blew it. Enjoy your gnomes.
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Completely different group.
I suggest you brush up on your lore. There have been and still are a large number of High Elves that have been in the Alliance that had nothing to do with that.
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ugh. Another person you has no idea what we are talking about. Or someone whod oes and is just trolling. We donât want blood elves. We donât care about those of quelâthelas. What we are asking for are the high elves of dalaran, stormwind, and the various lodges, villages, and military units they live in that are part of the alliance.
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The primer has been debunked countless times. The op only has any investment in it because he canât separate the different stories and because he needs to kill time.
The High Elf story is not the Blood Elf story anymore. And it is firmly rooted as an Alliance story with the Blood Elves going off in their own direction with the Horde.
You will not lose anything Hordeside because you donât have it. The Alliance has it and wants to interact with it more.
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You can make up whatever you want to justify your stance. Itâs not the stance shared by blizzard, who makes the game and lore. They have said âblood elves are high elves.â Just because there are some elves around that look like blood elves, that doesnât make them high elves.
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Why would making a race that is already part of the alliance affect âfaction identityâ? High Elves are already part of the alliance, it doesnât change the narrative itself. So how does it affect faction identity in such a way that it could destroy it?
What even do you mean by faction identity? Understand, I ask this as someone that plays both factions, and I fail to see how âfaction identityâ is breached if we have races that look alike in different factions, specially when they have their own narrative and politics, which I consider more relevant than just aesthetics.
Cause tbh, it feels like a deep reduction of âidentityâ to the aesthetics rather than the sum of a lot more things (politics, culture, alliance, beliefs, aesthetics, etc)
More so, some Horde players believe that Blood Elves have been the most damaging to the Hordeâs Identity since their introduction, can you say those qualms are as valid as yours, do you attempt to understand them?
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Or it could that current blizzard doesnât know the lore because they have in the past few years recently inherited the game from the devs that actually wrote and built this franchise.
They got the promotions because they have been there the longest on the dev teams. By all means when it comes to some gameplay elements they certainly know their job but lore wise they donât because they were never invested too much into that side of the game.
That is the state of the higher tier devs. The lower tier ones however do know their lore because they wanted to work at blizzard because it was a dream job to work on the game that they loved and played. These lower tier devs have come out in support of us.
These lower tier devs could also probably right a cool story that bases itself in the lore instead of what these devs do which goes off of the rule of cool and they will bend lore to fit whatever they deem to be a cool moment to make it work.
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Blood Elves are High Elves but High Elves are not Blood Elves. Blood Elves are altered High Elves but High Elves are not altered.
This is literally spelled out for people in game.
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No itâs not. There was no altering. They were named blood elves because of the blood that was shed, in honor of their bretheren. They didnât morph into blood elves. When their name changed, they were no different than they were before. They were even still in the alliance. They left because the alliance sucks. Now you want them back because they are pretty. Too bad.
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We donât want them back. In fact blizzard did give us them back because in case you didnât know void elves are blood elves. All of them. Every single one.
What we want we have made clear. We are asking for a group that has nothing to do with quelâthelas. Many of these high elves never even seeing or setting foot in quelâthelas.
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The only reason it ever comes up is because people reply to something Iâve said and ask me about it.