That’s a problem with the forum system. People who do that should get a ban, it shouldn’t be happening again and again, at some point there should not be more people available to keep flagging the topic.
Whoever the ******** are, I hope they get punished.
I’m sure there is some exploit on the new forums they are using. It happens too fast to be natural.
Only things I can think are that the offender(s) are either not getting heavy enough penalties, or there’s a way for them to circumvent a forum ban entirely and continue to flag the post with whatever the threshold for temporary lockdown is.
Why there’s no grace period between flagginfg lockdowns, or a limit to how many times a thread’s original post can be flagged for moderation is beyond me. It’s been reviewed and unlocked multiple times, and amassed as many replies and more views than this one.
The legitimacy of the thread isn’t in question; it’s just a salty jerk or handful of salty jerks allowed to continue forum abuse in the new system.
I hope you realize, assuming it is people from our side, and not just some douchenozzles that think they are being funny, that while there are those of us here who may oppose you on the subject matter at hand, many of us still believe you should not be arbitrarily silenced.
In fact, at the very least, I believe your topic is necessary for us to actually get playable Alliance High Elves.
That is just some deeply flawed logic there, you are asking the population argument against High Elves to be seen removed of any context, so that anything that contradicts it isn’t considered.
That’s frankly silly, the whole point of these conversations is contextualize plausibility through arguments.
As an aside: Who are the little b’s flagging the “Why High Elves don’t work” thread? Quit it.
I disagree that it’s flawed logic. If anything, it’s acknowledging that what’s portrayed in the video game isn’t always what’s actually happening. I’m leveling a nightborne alt right now through Wrath zones, and I’m frequently seeing “Nightborne, I will crush you!” of some variation. Everyone knows that that’s a gameplay limitation, where they simply add [insert race] to the dialogue. It isn’t suggesting that nightborne were wandering around Northrend during the events of Wrath, even though I’m doing the storyline.
Likewise, just because there are NPCs that happen to be High Elf taking part in story, since they do exist in some number, I don’t dismiss that Blizzard has told me they are a rare sight today.
I mean frankly, not to be rude, but everyone hangs up on this point of population. I think there are much stronger and more important positions for this debate but, it’s what I keep getting replies on so, yeah.
That’s not the point; the point is the lack of consistency in regard as claiming a race is near extinct or low on numbers and how that affects playability.
You can’t use that as an argument of any sort of empirical nature because it’s just not true across the board with other races.
To say the population of HE’s is the reason they are not playable is a flawed justification because population, on it’s own, as been demonstratively not been a factor for other races.
I see most arguments rely on, “Well they did it for this race, so it now no longer applies to this other race.”
If they have a reason for not wanting High Elves wandering around Stormwind in the literal hundreds, I’d say that’s grounds for sticking to their guns on it. Perhaps they have something planned in the future for High Elves, who knows? All we do know is that they’ve actually concocted a new Thalassian Elf storyline to give to the Alliance to appease their want for one instead of taking the easy road and simply giving them High Elves. Isn’t it possible…there’s a reason for that?
Their reason for not wanting High Elves to be playable can be very well “we don’t want to” and that’s it, but to pretend there is a empirical reason why they CAN’T make high Elves playable -such as population- is disengenous, because it frames the issue as the developers basically being forced to not make them playable based on their parameters, when the truth such parameters are arbitrary and inconsistent.
As long as the population argument only stands as a flawed justification, contradicted on other races, is worthless. And it will remain so until it’s used as a narrative point -which has never been used in game so far- Mind you, the “we are a near extinct race, how do we move forward” has a lot of narrative potential, like lead to something like Half Elves, but so far, the only thing it is is a flawed and inconsistent justification that doesn’t apply as a hard parameter equally.
It’s numbers. Numbers aren’t subjective.
If you need a curtain threshold to be playable then it must be true for all or it is true for none.
Darkspear Trolls, Draenei, Lightforged Draenei are one the verge of extinction.
Tauren, Blood Elves, Mag’har and Gnomes where almost wiped out.
Void Elves and Player Pandaren numbers are freakishly small.
One ship of Goblins survived.
It is not an issue. Otherwise none of those races would be playable.
I mean, that’s fair. I’ve said time and time again I think Blizzard’s retconning of their own story is extremely frustrating and causes a lot of issues for people. At the same time, I feel like they sort of have told us “we don’t want to” in so many words, it’s just people aren’t taking their answers.
A dev has stated that the High Elves remaining are a fraction of a fraction of their former numbers. They are a rare sight. They’re written as “near extinct” in some of the novels. They’ve said that they won’t add them because “population”.
All of that, in the years and years that they’ve been asked for, has been picked apart and dismissed because they’ve added rarer creatures to the Warcraft menagerie, or they’ve had High Elves appear in the story and people start to assume things.
As far as the High Elves moving forward goes, they are moving forward. As Blood Elves, as Void Elves. That’s my take on it, anyway.
As an aside, are you the one who made those awesome High Elf mock-ups?
Is there a way to contact forum support on this? if it is a coordinated effort by a few it sounds like the sort of thing they can catch if they look into it.
Again, not to be rude, but I’ve explained how that doesn’t have any bearing on what I’m saying. I’d say it again but, you can read the post you responded to just the same.
The point is simply that by adding other races with even less population than High Elves, their justification for population being the reason they are not playable becomes moot, because if you say “they are too few” then add another playable race with even fewer, then the justification just doesn’t hold up anymore.
That’s the issue; that the population argument simply lacks consistency, and hence why it is a bad justification. They don’t want them to be playable? That’s fine, but the frustrating part is the pretension they have an empirical justification within the lore why so.
And indeed, it is I the one of the mock ups ![:smiley:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/smiley.png?v=6" ":smiley:")
thank you!
Just out of sheer curiosity, why do you think they’ve not added them thus far?
(And those are great, keep making more stuff!)
Yes it does. You are applying a huge leap in logic to how things work.
If you need a curtain population to be playable then it must work for all. There are no exceptions just because.
If it is a rule it must apply to everyone or it is not a rule. Or if something is added that contradicts it then it is not a rule anymore.
That’s not a truth, I’m afraid. Blizzard can do as they like.
Then it was never a factor at all.
What if it is for posterity? Adding Void Elves with the intention of allowing them the method to grow their numbers while slowly allowing High Elves to die out?
Just because it isn’t an apparent factor to players today doesn’t mean it isn’t a factor to the story at large.
There is no current way for Void Elves to grow and any ideas on how it could happen is just conjecture.
They are still adding High Elf NPCs and have not shown or stated them to be a fading presence or dieing out.