well we humans try to be logical. if we see that 2 plus 2 = 4, we assign it truth value. when you see characters all over the game and then are told they aint really there, it kinda messes with our logic centers. we’re like…but theres 5 of 'em right here. and 10 more over there. and etc till you’ve named off over 154 of them not counting veressa, alleria and arator.
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I mean, if we’re going with literal NPC count, I don’t think any race in all of Warcraft has enough representation to justify us being as common as the story tells us we are. ![:slight_smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
Except maybe murlocs.
My problem with the “High Elves are an all but extinct race” narrative is that the game itself seems to actively work against it by making High Elves pop up all over the place.
Specially when the encyclopedia claimed that HE’s have no unified goal or group, and then WoTLK comes up and introduces the Silver Covenant.
The “they are a remnant” narrative just doesn’t hold water contrasted to what we see in game, not only because making them show up by itself contrasts it, but by not using any of their appareances in-game to allude to their “extinct” status.
The only we have gotten about their population in-game is not their scarcity, but them being referred as the peasants of thalassian culture, and as human bangers.
Thing is, since 2006-7 there aren’t new sources about them being “an all but extinct race with no goals or unity” and all their appearances since WotLK in 2008 have been as part of their own faction with their own goals, not even mentioning Cata introducing the Highvale as their own culturally distinct group.
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Then there are aren’t enough, Pandaren, Draenei and Void Elves. They are either contradicting themselves or they changed their mind.
Blood Elves aren’t looking too good in these arguments either. Being reduced to 9% then losing large chunks to Kael’Thas, and becoming Wretched.
They made even smaller populations playable. Draenei are almost extinct for crying out loud.
There are no implications that they can expand.
It’s a made up headcanon caused by a lack of understanding on the poorly elaborated Void Elf lore.
I suggest you learn where Void Elves come from.
No they don’t. You aren’t making any logical sense.
You say Void Elves are enough because they added them, despite also stating they are an elite crack squad, but they say they have to retcon High Elve numbers despite their already being more of them the Void Elves?
What?!
There is no current lore on making more Void Elves. All Void Elves are explicitly stated to be part of Umbric’s band of researchers.
There is no room for interpretation.
So have Gnomes and Draenei. And Blood Elves/Darkspear Trolls to a slightly lesser extent.
Then Void Elves and player pandaren being the smallest populations ever. Smaller than High Elves.
We already know Void Elf lore and where they come from.
Anything else is made up Headcanon.
And then changed their minds for other smaller in number races.
Population doesn’t matter.
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i’m playing a browser game atm that starts off at caveman and advances to post human melding of bunch of high tech stuff. the population never gets beyond 800 before their offering you the chance to ascend to some alternate dimension. that’s not believable either. it would take hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of individuals working to create the science and tech. an elitist snob game that thinks the only people who exist are their fellow scientists hehe
Here’s just some pics of high elves all over the place.
https://imgur.com/a/CC83yzh
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I understand that frustration, but it earnestly feels to me like they’re trying to keep them at a certain status. A dwindling one.
Also, I think there might be some story bias in how often we see them. They’re a legendary race for all intents and purposes by now, and we do legendary things, so we probably have more of an opportunity to see them than most.
It would be kinder, I think, to at least shed a little light on their intentions with High Elves. It seems like most of the irritation from people who want to play them comes from confusion about what we’re being told.
Hardly a lack of understanding. I was a Void Elf up until last week, and a roleplayer, and I’ve spent quite a long time looking into most everything we have written down in-game and out. I understand that their creation was accidental, and that their existence is that of a void-touched being constantly teetering the edge of insanity, driving off whispers. I imagine you also know that their meddling with the void was not accidental, it was utterly intentional, and that Alleria was taught ways to harness the void. She, as their leader, is currently teaching them to better harness it, and the fact that there are at least some elves visiting Telogrus Rift with interest in learning, along with their base of operations being the void infested remains of an old world brewed in void magic leads me to believe that they will find a method to teach elves who have the willpower and strength to harness the void. Because that is what they want to do. They want the power and have expressed such.
I’m saying that just because something applies to one group doesn’t mean it should apply to another group. How is this difficult to understand?
Again, Blizzard felt it was important, for High Elves. Just because they do something for one race does not mean that every race gets the same treatment.
Alleria is not a Void Elf… she might qualify as Ren’Dorei but she is most emphatically not a Void Elf. At least not in the same manner as player Void Elves.
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So? She’s not a Void Elf. She just has similar Void Powers.
She also had to eat a Voidgod and a Voided Naaru. Don’t suppose there are many of them lying around.
It’s the Ethereal’s Spell that made them Void Elves and that’s what you need to make more.
Because it’s a logistical fallacy. If you need a curtain population to be a player race then all races must stand by that code. If not then the rule is proven false.
It has.
Then the rule isn’t that important and thus can be easily dropped aside.
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Yes, she is. I’ve seen people try to argue this and there’s nothing anywhere that states she’s not a Void Elf. She came by her powers in a different, more controlled manner.
“Alleria became the first void elf,” - Alleria Windrunner’s WoWpedia page.
“Alleria Windrunner is the first mortal to succeed at defying the shadow’s whispers.” - https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/game/races/void-elf
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I don’t care what the wiki says or what the devs say in this regard. She isn’t the same as the playable allied race we call Void Elves. She gained her powers in an entirely different fashion and doesn’t look anything like the race she’s supposed to represent.
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This seemed more like Elisande’s aristocratic jab at the Silver Covenant’s leader, Vereesa, than it was a revealing moment about Quel’dorei society. It’s Nightborne culture clashing with modern Azeroth after 10,000 years under a magic bubble rather than an informed commentary about some fundamental genealogical difference between Quel’dorei and Sin’dorei.
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I should probably summarize my debate with you by saying that just because Blizzard has changed existing lore in the past, doesn’t mean that they have to change it for anything else, or that they should. I agree that it makes it difficult to speculate and it can be frustrating when you want a particular thing and they’ve given a reason that they’ve bent before, but I have a strong feeling that High Elves are a case of Blizzard sticking to their guns.
Ok then. Can’t argue with that if you’re going to deny what’s being written.
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Anti Helfers right now
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If anything, you and I can probably agree that the writing for Void Elves is… lacking.
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Honestly? I think they’re just new. The PC is supposed to be one person, but we see hundreds running around and it messes with our perception of how many there are. It’s probably the thing with High Elves too. If they made a story where the PC was meant to be one of a small number, but we saw them everywhere it’d completely ruin the immersion of High Elves being so rare.
That’s why I’m pretty firmly believing that Void Elves will have a method to grow in number explained later on, and it’s why I think they’re not adding High Elves.
There’s nothing that states she is. And we’ve seen what makes the Void Elves what they are. Alleria has not gone through that.
Fansite that can be inaccurate. Notice that is not cited.
And that doesn’t make her a Void Elf. It makes her a master of the Void.
It’s like saying a Night Elf Fire Mage is the same thing as a Druid of the Flame because they both use fire spells.
The problem is that Blizzard has done it so many times after starting it then they’re no reason to consider it a factual rule anymore.
And by that logic, with High Elves not having a large enough number in your opinion, they would have to draw from the Blood Elf population. Making them an even smaller fraction of their race, and potentially no longer sizable enough to be considered enough.
Thus destroying this idea again.
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? I don’t understand why you find it funny. These threads are to show that yes that there are still people that want high elves and that we haven’t left.
Maybe you thought “the demand” meant like WE DEMAND HIGH ELVES!!!
The context I was using for “the demand” was the version used to show there is a demand for a product to be made. it is wanted.
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