This is a 10 month old topic. You judge it on its latest thread? One that lost a lot of “likes” during the transfer?
Yikes
A blue himself said the thread had thousands of contributors back in May. I cant imagine what the number is now. Try other social media too.
Bleh you dont care … have fun with the quest for self-validation through likes ![:man_shrugging:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/man_shrugging.png?v=6" ":man_shrugging:")
I take “Disingenuous Points” for 200, Alex!
Come on, are you really gouging historic interest of a race, which has been going since, oh yeah, the beginning of WoW, from a thread made 2 months ago?
Step up.
This. Also, we don’t want more elfs in the game.
Coming from an AR that is 5 ARs in one… this is good
Indeed. No one asked for void elves. Those were totally unnecessary.
I like how he ignored what everyone said lol
Is this somehow different than what was expected?
It occurred to me that next expansion Allied Races could start at 50. Then they could have Death Knights.
Have a like for your post - hopefully it will help you to get out of this hive of scum and villainy.
I love it. That’s a high elf if I ever did see one.
Hi, I’m back, sorry about me lost contact with you guys during transfer, a High elf supporter from CN server show my support again, sorry for my possible broken english, any question? lol 各位高精党好~
Did china get the new forums as well?
yep, all battle.net site in different regions received update I see, but if to deliver opinions from my community, come here to us forum would be closer to dev. team (maybe)
Your feedback from the CN community would certainly be appreciated by everyone, and your English is great. Getting the opinions of the Playerbase from all communities is super interesting.
So I just popped over to the EU forums and initial post is so utterly incredible at what he did to deconstruct what Ion said that I really want to repost it here. If it’s been posted here before let me know with a link and I’ll remove it since it’s lengthy but it’s so worth the read. He also did a great job with the most common arguments but I won’t post that just for the sake of not making too large of a post unless others are interested in the read.
(Credit goes to Leolamin)
Alliance High Elves as a Playable Race
Since the April 26th Q&A, the discussion on High Elves has grown heated, fractured, and unproductive. In an attempt to restore a structured course of discussion to continue efforts to show support for High Elves as a playable race, this thread will dissect the response given by Ion Hazzikostas during the Q&A regarding High Elves. By this we hope to not only create reasoned discussion, but focus it within one thread to restore the forums to the more peaceful state it was prior to the Q&A.
To begin with, the question and reply:
Question: When deciding on Allied Races, why did you choose Void Elves when High Elves seemed more of an organic and popular choice?
Answer: So, Blood Elves kind of are High Elves with different eye colors and backstory in terms of their relationship to magic in the Sunwell. But if you want to be a fair-skinned, light, blonde-haired, tall, majestic, elf… That is a Blood Elf.
Giving that race directly to the Alliance would have blurred a lot of the lines between the two factions, but also there isn’t a clear example of who or what High Elves are as a larger group which remains in Azeroth. There’s a couple… We just met Alleria again… But they’re not out there in the same way. When we add an Allied Race, there’s a desire to have things be even more distinct especially between the two factions with the faction conflict being so prominent. And so, the Void Elf angle, as it tied into the story of Argus, the powers of Alleria awakened and was able to train others to harness, was able to give something that felt a bit like a Blood Elf but had a unique flavor of its own to the Alliance.
That said, obviously I understand you would love Alliance elves… You’re an Alliance player, and want to be a fair-skinned, light-haired, blue-eyed elf. Sorry? The Horde is there and waiting for you. Eye color is not quite the same but maybe contact lenses in the future, you never know? Anything is possible in the future, but no plans in the near-term to add High Elves as an Allied Race.
We’ll look at the first part of the answer to begin with.
PART ONE:
BLOOD ELVES ARE HIGH ELVESSo, Blood Elves kind of are High Elves with different eye colors and backstory in terms of their relationship to magic in the Sunwell. But if you want to be a fair-skinned, light, blonde-haired, tall, majestic, elf… That is a Blood Elf.
This is nothing new, though the nature of the reply leaves much to be desired. It is widely acknowledge by all players, those in favor of High Elves and against, that the different eye color and relationship to the Sunwell is at the heart of the difference between Blood Elves and High Elves. No one disputes this, nor is it a point that needs to be disputed as it is the similarities between the two races which makes their unfolding story of conflict with one another both organic, and interesting.
That said, there is a clear logical fallacy in the words, “But if you want to be a fair-skinned, light, blonde-haired, tall, majestic, elf… That is a Blood Elf.”This is like saying, “If you want to be a purple-skinned, muscular, white-haired, tall, majestic elf… that is a Night Elf.”
As one can immediately surmise, that description also applies to Nightborne, a Horde allied race. Did the Alliance have a monopoly on that appearance as this reply would seem to suggest the Horde has a monopoly on the appearance shared by High Elves and Blood Elves? The answer is no.
Why should the Horde be given this preferential treatment over the Alliance? Why should the Alliance lose it’s night elven aesthetic to the Horde, but the Horde maintain a monopoly on the Thalassian aesthetic?
There will never be an answer to that question which will be acceptable. The box was opened with Nightborne. It cannot be closed. The Horde has no right to preferential treatment over the Alliance. The scales may not always be balanced between the two factions, but in this case, there is no reason to leave them tilted.
PART TWO:
THE BLURRING OF FACTION LINESGiving that race directly to the Alliance would have blurred a lot of the lines between the two factions, but also there isn’t a clear example of who or what High Elves are as a larger group which remains in Azeroth. There’s a couple… We just met Alleria again… But they’re not out there in the same way. When we add an Allied Race, there’s a desire to have things be even more distinct especially between the two factions with the faction conflict being so prominent. And so, the Void Elf angle, as it tied into the story of Argus, the powers of Alleria awakened and was able to train others to harness, was able to give something that felt a bit like a Blood Elf but had a unique flavor of its own to the Alliance.
First and foremost it must be stated clearly: Players do NOT want Blood Elves, when they’re asking for High Elves. Players want the Silver Covenant, the Highvale Elves, the Alliance Expedition High Elves. They don’t want Magister Umbric or Archmage Aethas, they want Vereesa Windrunner and Auric Sunchaser.
High Elves have been a part of the Alliance’s story for so long that there is no blurring of the lines between the two factions with their addition. If anything Void Elves blurred the lines by taking the edginess thematic of the Blood Elves and serving it to the Alliance with an actual group of former Blood Elves, rather than the Alliance’s own loyal High Elves.
We do have a clear example of who or what the High Elves are as a larger group which remains in Azeroth. The Silver Covenant has been the face of the High Elves since Wrath of the Lich King. If the Developers feel this is not enough, then it is time to focus on that identity until it has reached a point of satisfaction. Many players are satisfied with High Elves as they exist right now. If Blizzard isn’t, then it is upon Blizzard that the quality is brought up to the point they desire.
It has been noted in this reply that distinction between the two factions is important, especially with faction conflict being prominent. There is no greater symbol of the conflict between the Horde and the Alliance than that of the Blood Elves and the High Elves. Orcs vs. Humans may be the core of the conflict as the major identities of the Horde and Alliance, but Blood Elves vs. High Elves represents the spirit of it. They epitomize this conflict in ways both artful and subtle. Despite having so much in common, there is a brutal shared fear, paranoia, and even hatred which is based entirely in the perspective of each side, which perfectly mirrors that of the greater Horde and Alliance factions. There could be no better race to make playable in an expansion about faction conflict than the High Elves considering this.
The conflict between High Elves and Blood Elves has reached such incredible relevance that it’s become the ideal analogy, as powerful an image of the conflict as the ages old Orcs vs. Humans. One could go so far as to say the absence of the High Elves neuters the quality of faction conflict. Horde players have complained they feel no real attachment to the upcoming conflict, that they feel like villains rather than protagonists. Through these forums alone we see the conflict already between factions, just on the topic of High Elves. Horde players express their desire to wipe them out, Blood Elf players describe them as traitors, bringing up the Purge of Dalaran. It’s the ultimate expression of faction conflict condensed to one single, easy to add Allied Race. High Elves have done more to galvanize faction conflict than any other Allied Race could. At this point it is criminal to leave them out for any reason.
If you won’t add High Elves for the Alliance, at least do it for your Horde players to finally have a target they feel legitimized in attacking.
PART THREE:
THE HORDE IS WAITING FOR YOUThat said, obviously I understand you would love Alliance elves…you’re an Alliance player, and want to be a fair-skinned, light-haired, blue-eyed elf. Sorry? The Horde is there and waiting for you. Eye color is not quite the same but maybe contact lenses in the future, you never know? Anything is possible in the future, but no plans in the near-term to add High Elves as an Allied Race.
Considering how the previous part of the answer raised the issue of faction blurring, this reply is singularly self-defeating and antagonistic. The Horde should not be waiting for players wanting to be High Elves. The Horde should be sharpening their knives in anticipation of facing these players. By suggesting players seeking to play as High Elves should instead join the Horde, this reply is encouraging a blurring of the faction lines.
Not only that but the reply is insulting and once again, brings up the question raised from the first part of the reply. “If you want to play a purple-skinned, white-haired, tall majestic elf, the Alliance is waiting for you.” Except its not. The Horde has those very same options. The Alliance doesn’t have a monopoly on them. Why should the Horde have a monopoly on, “fair-skinned, light-haired, elves?”
It shouldn’t.
CONCLUSION:
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE IN THE FUTUREThe final words of this response are perhaps the most legitimate. Anything is Possible in the Future. High Elves are possible in the future. Well, they should be more than a possibility. They should be guaranteed. The Horde has no right to monopolize a specific aesthetic anymore than the Alliance does, and the fact this was alluded to as an acceptable answer to the matter is nothing short of ludicrous.
Speculation can be offered on the nature of this highly unsatisfactory answer. Perhaps the most probable is that it is too early to simply state that High Elves will come. Other races haven’t yet received Allied Races to expand on their own customization (Gnomes, Worgen, Forsaken, Goblins, Night Elves, and Blood Elves), and Void Elves still need to find their place in the narrative. Certainly discussing adding High Elves right now would marginalize players who genuinely approve of Void Elves, and players waiting to see what is in store for them and their favorite races which haven’t yet received new customization through Allied Races.
The above having been said, there were better ways to answer the question, but at least it ended with a kernel of hope for players still awaiting High Elves. Perhaps the greatest criticism about this answer, however, lays in how uninformed it is in regards to discussions had by players in what they would like to see with a High Elf Allied Race.
In short this post shall conclude with a question to those working on World of Warcraft at Blizzard themselves:Why ask we, the players, what we would like to see for Allied Races, if you will reply as if you never listened?
Actually…
Need I say more?
allied race death knights will happen for all of them. The problem isn’t their starting level nor the heritage armor. The problem is most of them have no way to have become gen 3 death knights. Once we get wrath 2 and 4th gen death knights is when allied races and pandaren will get to be them.
Greeting:
As a matter of fact, the opinion in most CN player community are also divisive, but on my point of view, the lore relative community are mostly pro high-elf lol, there is a joke in our community that calling you guys “US. shotgun” and awaiting for your US highelf community which fighting on the front-line to bring high elf back to the fans all around the world.
Maybe I’m quite radical but I decided to go to you guys as an individual.
Yes, people who arguing blood elves are (a group of) high elves is correct in fact, they biological is, but use this as an argument is nothing different than argue American is British because they are quite same Anglo in 1780.
The word “High elf” is a distinctive word and when used under biological circumstance, H/B/V could all been defined as biological “High elf”.
But the faction we want is a political group which decide not to betray their heart and their loyalty to ally, and unbending to the idea of “doing anything to survive and save their land”, the cost is been exiled, and persecuted, these people called them-self “High elf” which is a political mean.
These people been minority of their nation, bearing the name of traitor but the faith and trust on long ally’s value is the only thing which make them so different.
High elf is a group of people who exiled from “been true” and the story of them are a full of firmness and sacrifice one, their story is equally moved like blood elf’s one, but after 16 years waiting(from WC3) Blizzard still not allowing us to see the story from their aspect, I wonder why.
still, it is no meaning to argue “not different enough” point since itis proved that re-skin is quite normal on AR and some future possible AR can’t even call them a re-skin, just look at Mechagnome, they are…well, Literally gnome, wearing a permanent metal helmet.
I believe Blizzard are just evaluating the shocking effect that might bring to the game when “most popular model and texture on Warcraft universe become a share property”
But hey, if these people decide to turn void elf from high-elf(silver covenant/ Highvale) on lore level it would be considering as an compromise from very first place, and all following battles on forum might not happened at all.
Just this very little more consideration, a sample sentence"void elf are from silver covenant", and Blizzard can prevent all Roller Coaster at all.
The High elf is a too important part for Alliance lore, the story of them are a very touching one, and they are ally with Alliance since the second war, from the time of 1998, so when Blizzard offers a compromise which ignores all these sediment.
Well, it is been considering as an insult to the Alliance player
“And it is became a roller coaster, happening as intended”.
what I mean is, I can accept add customization option to void elf to bring Alliance High elf group back as a final solution, it is even better than I imaging now. And for every mean I respect the effort they put in when making void elf.
But I hope they can see that player also need to feel been heard and respect. especially when the decision that would been made is so important.
I’ am a RPer in CN server, running a Void elf community, the members are both from Pro-Alliance blood elf and Silver covenant, it is the only way we find out till now to RP a high elf lol, some art and bad doing picture of it, do you people want me to share it?
Fresh from China, well lol
This is actually really endearing to me for some reason.
Hopefully we get High Elves one day so everyone is happy! ![:grin:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/grin.png?v=6" ":grin:")