My friend, the issue here is that they are not. It's impossible to play the Warcraft High Elf™ fantasy even though the race has been present consistently — distinct and separate from their Blood Elf cousins — in Alliance lore from Warcraft II and through story developments to the present.11/14/2018 01:00 PMPosted by Yonjiiif you want to play a high elf just go play a blood elf, they are the same thing.
The High Elves that are IN the Alliance never left after the Second War. That's why they survived the fall of Quel'Thalas they've been separated for years.
Only in the decannoned RPGs.
Which you seem to keep claiming as fact.
Should we start quoting the ones that say Blood Elves are changing into another race then?
There are High Elves hanging out with Void Elvs in Stormwind and studying the Void in the Rift.
There's no reason to think that they don't know about the Light and Void reactions.
Talk about headcanon. The Void Elves aren't a disease and if they Void Elves where to threaten them they would hold up in their homes in Alliance lands just away from the Void Elves.
Why would they go to a place in the Horde with people the did not want to join after the Second War and leave their family and friends?
Their families and loved ones are in the Alliance. Not Silvermoon.
Dalaran High Elves have been living there for 3,000 years. When told to leave after the Second War they stayed.
Quel'lithien was attacked by Horde regularly and when asked to rejoin by Lothamar they threatened to decapitate him. The few that survived still hate the Horde.
Quel'Danil have been and still are Kill targets by the Horde. There are Blood Elves that are part of the group attacking them. They have completely forsook Arcane magic and are close Allies with the Wildhammer Dwarves.
Allerian Stronghold have been living on Outland for 30ish years with Humans and Dwarves and detest the ways of the Blood Elves.
Then all that's left are the scattered bits that make up the 7th Legion, currently at War with the Horde, and the ones in Stormwind who have been shown to be close allies and friends as citizens there.
There's literally no High Elf group that would join the Horde. They would have done so already or have been assaulted by the Horde at some point.
11/14/2018 12:08 PMPosted by Softsong
What do you mean where? After the third war when the Night elves joined the Alliance they began to warn the other races against the High Elves. This only served to worsen the relations as many of the Alliance already resented the High elves for abandoning them after the second war. It's been stated many times that the Alliance doesn't even trust the remaining High elves that remained with them. This isn't me speaking from some objective standpoint, this is official lore.
11/14/2018 01:00 PMPosted by YonjiiI think this is an awful idea, if you want to play a high elf just go play a blood elf, they are the same thing.
The game has enough elf races as it is. Blizzard does not need to waste their time on making yet another elf race or sub-race, especially when it's going to share the same model as the existing elves.
11/14/2018 01:39 PMPosted by IratioI have it, introduce High Elves as an Allied Race for the Alliance, blue-eyes and all the customization options.
To unlock, you need to be exalted with each of the factions the dispersed High Elves belong too. And when there is only one, two, or three isolated elves, you have to earn best friend status with each of them.
If that's what it takes to be able to play the single most requested and lore-justified Alliance race that has yet to be introduced, then your plan sounds good to me.11/14/2018 01:39 PMPosted by IratioI have it, introduce High Elves as an Allied Race for the Alliance, blue-eyes and all the customization options.
To unlock, you need to be exalted with each of the factions the dispersed High Elves belong too. And when there is only one, two, or three isolated elves, you have to earn best friend status with each of them.
10/04/2018 05:16 AMPosted by Ohnata...
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You can read the book if you want and try to find the passage. The fact of the matter is, no matter where a Thalassian elf is, they can use the sunwell.
I'm not going to do your work for you in a discussion. What you quoted does not mention those high elves drawing on the unwell at all. Until you can ACTUALLY prove this statement that all highborne decendants draw off the sunwell no matter where they are or how long they were away from it, your argument basically just fluff to get what you want.
11/14/2018 01:25 PMPosted by Mowachassa11/14/2018 12:08 PMPosted by Softsong
What do you mean where? After the third war when the Night elves joined the Alliance they began to warn the other races against the High Elves. This only served to worsen the relations as many of the Alliance already resented the High elves for abandoning them after the second war. It's been stated many times that the Alliance doesn't even trust the remaining High elves that remained with them. This isn't me speaking from some objective standpoint, this is official lore.
Hmm, no. The Night Elves are part of the Alliance for like, 10 years? The High Elves about 3000. The Night Elves never tried to sever the connection that the alliance have with the High Elves, at least the Night Elf leadership. In Warcraft 3 Tyrande got a lot of good character development, she learned a lot of tolerance and respect for the other races after the battle of mount hyjal. On the night elf campaign of Frozen Throne, she and Malfurion find no problem in collaborating with Kael and the blood elves, the two races where quite respectful with each other, Maiev and her wardens tough... In cataclysm Tyrande and Malfurion forgive the Highborne and allowed them to rejoin their society, Maiev tough... In Legion, the Night Elves and High Elves divided their encampment in front of Suramar without problems, the real tension there was between Night and Blood elf. Those lines are taken from A Good War:
“This is senseless. This invasion is senseless,” Malfurion said softly. “Brother, we should not be enemies.”
“The rest of the Horde, I can fathom. Sylvanas, I can fathom,” Malfurion continued, “but our peoples once lived together. We fought together in the same wars, and we died for one another. It was true long ago, and it was true only a few months ago, out on the Broken Isles. There should be no divide between my kaldorei and your sin’dorei.”
If the Night Elves apparently holds no grudge over the Blood Elves (come on, 10000 years), how could they do with the High Elves wich are on the Alliance too? Some fanatical Night Elves like Maiev might still, but this doesn't account for all of them.
Yeah, not only this but in the Shadow of the Sun novel with Theron, high elf Aurora Skycaller even confirms that she could feel the sunwell, and that she has no longer needed help coping with her magical addiction....
I'm not going to do your work for you in a discussion. What you quoted does not mention those high elves drawing on the unwell at all. Until you can ACTUALLY prove this statement that all highborne decendants draw off the sunwell no matter where they are or how long they were away from it, your argument basically just fluff to get what you want.
I saw this post on the front page again and I would just like to point out that I was indeed right. In Blood of the Highborne Prince Kael'thas says that no matter where a Thalassian elf is they are affected by the sunwell. And now I bid my adieu.
11/14/2018 01:20 PMPosted by SoftsongActually many High elves that joined the Alliance were part of the elves that left after the Second war. They left Quel'thalas because they apposed Kael'thas' teachings. Maybe you should brush up on your lore.
11/14/2018 01:20 PMPosted by SoftsongActually no, I'm not even referring to the RPGs, these are official lore, even posted in the Wowpedia.
11/14/2018 01:20 PMPosted by SoftsongYou seem under the impression that the only Alliance High elves were the ones that remained after the second war, when that number is actually very small compared to the exodus of High elves that left when they apposed siphoning magic, and fel.
11/14/2018 01:20 PMPosted by SoftsongStudying the void =/= wanting to be corrupted by the void
There's no reason to believe they would have any idea of the void interactions, as Alleria herself was unaware that her presence would corrupt the Well. There is nothing that suggests that they are aware of the effect they have on the Sunwell, to assume otherwise is conjecture. The burden of proof lies with you to prove otherwise.
11/14/2018 01:20 PMPosted by SoftsongThe high elves that were banished from Quel'thalas have been gone for barely a decade...
11/14/2018 01:20 PMPosted by SoftsongThey most certainly do have Family and friends in Silvermoon. Didn't I already give you an example of this? There are dozens of High elves that share last names with Blood elves, and even a questline revolving the High Elven wife Vyrin Swiftwind, and her blood elf husband Talithar Swiftwind. You either are ignoring massive parts of in-game lore, or you simply don't do any research.
11/14/2018 01:20 PMPosted by SoftsongAnd the Horde regularly attacks the Quel'lithien lodge? There was only one attack on the lodge, and that was from Nathanos to retrieve the Farstrider registry. Are you literally just making things up at this point? And this is largely a moot point anyway because all the High elves at that lodge either died or became wretched.
11/14/2018 01:20 PMPosted by SoftsongThe only reason the Quel'danil lodge are "kill" targets is because they are officially alliance members. There are no Blood elven quests to attack them,
11/14/2018 01:20 PMPosted by SoftsongThere are no Blood elven quests to attack them, and Auric's relative Gilveradin Sunchaser is a friendly unit to the Horde, just beside the Quel'danil lodge, where he states he has no interest in the faction wars, and is even friends with some Orcs in Orgimmar. I doubt he'd like the Horde if they were trying to kill him.
Yet Auric Sunchaser, the leader of the Allerian Stronghold is one of the largest advocates among the High elves preaching the unification of Blood and High elves.
11/14/2018 01:20 PMPosted by SoftsongThere has been no evidence of any of the elves saying they detest blood elves,
11/14/2018 01:20 PMPosted by Softsongis this just more of your own headcanon?
Wowpedia is not official...
You have to cite it from the actual sources.
Headcanon.
The only population that is 100% confirmed to be made up of banished Elves are Quel'lithien.
And you're making up some stupid headcanon about Void Elves corrupting the High Elves to make more Void Elves forcing them to join the Horde.
I don't have to prove against your made up crap
After the second war, the Silvermoon Nobles wanted all Elves to withdraw (Including Dalaran Elves who lived there for 3,000 years) and large groups of High Elves decided not to leave.
This was around 30 years ago. The banishment is just another division that came latter.
And those are special cases.
The ones that left 30 years ago didn't seem to have issues.
Pluss 90% of the population died. The odds are extremely small that any of their family and friends survived. Aside from a few rare cases.
Dalaran is its own separate and distinct population.
There's a Blood Elf in the cap that sends quest to kill them. Safe to say they are sympathetic to killing them.
And given that his former commander, Alleria, wants reunification too. It's a safe bet that they want the Blood Elves to rejoin the Alliance as opposed to High Elves joining the Horde.
You get killed by Auric's angels yet? :P
There are dialogue options where one of the High Elves explains to the player that they are not a Blood Elf.
Keep in mind their example of a Blood Elf was keals Fel Sucking Crazy Elves.
Considering most of your points are made up Bullcrap scenarios or Decanonized material you have no rights whatsoever to cry headcanon.
11/14/2018 01:42 PMPosted by JoyeuseIf that's what it takes to be able to play the single most requested and lore-justified Alliance race that has yet to be introduced, then your plan sounds good to me.11/14/2018 01:39 PMPosted by IratioI have it, introduce High Elves as an Allied Race for the Alliance, blue-eyes and all the customization options.
To unlock, you need to be exalted with each of the factions the dispersed High Elves belong too. And when there is only one, two, or three isolated elves, you have to earn best friend status with each of them.
11/14/2018 03:55 PMPosted by SoftsongWowpedia is not official...
You have to cite it from the actual sources.
This is essentially you saying "This reliable source of Warcraft lore is wrong because I said so." Right, let me take your opinion over it. I don't know whether or not I should feel bad for you, or laugh.Headcanon.
The only population that is 100% confirmed to be made up of banished Elves are Quel'lithien.
I never said they were 100% banished, I said many of them are banished as I have also provided an example of. And unless you have evidence that proves all the High elves on the Alliance were the ones that remained after the second war, that is merely your own headcanon. Ironic, right?And you're making up some stupid headcanon about Void Elves corrupting the High Elves to make more Void Elves forcing them to join the Horde.
I don't have to prove against your made up crap
Making up? I never said they are going to corrupt High elves, I said it was a possible reason why Void elves would get HE customization. Are you even reading? No one asked you to prove, or argue anything, but if you're going to tell me it's not possible, you better have a damn good explanation to refute it.After the second war, the Silvermoon Nobles wanted all Elves to withdraw (Including Dalaran Elves who lived there for 3,000 years) and large groups of High Elves decided not to leave.
This was around 30 years ago. The banishment is just another division that came latter.
I was not referring to the High elves that remained with the Alliance after the second war, I'm referring to the High elves that joined the Alliance after leaving Quel'thalas. These High elves have not been gone from than 10 years.And those are special cases.
The ones that left 30 years ago didn't seem to have issues.
Pluss 90% of the population died. The odds are extremely small that any of their family and friends survived. Aside from a few rare cases.
Dalaran is its own separate and distinct population.
You have no way of proving if these are "Special" cases, just sounds like you're cherry picking to suit your argument. Unless you can provide proof that all the High elves in the Alliance are only made up of loyalists that remained after the second war. More headcanon I see.
You also have no way of proving that High Elves and Blood Elves don't have many loved ones and family, or that this is "rare" as I have already given examples of this on numerous occasions. And unless you have all the names of all the High elves and Blood elves, it is merely your conjecture. Stop self-inserting your headcanon into this conversation.There's a Blood Elf in the cap that sends quest to kill them. Safe to say they are sympathetic to killing them.
Link?And given that his former commander, Alleria, wants reunification too. It's a safe bet that they want the Blood Elves to rejoin the Alliance as opposed to High Elves joining the Horde.
You get killed by Auric's angels yet? :P
You have no way of proving whether or not Auric wants them to join the Alliance or not, although that wasn't the point in the first place. The point was the Allerian stronghold's leader shows clear interest in reunifying the High and Blood Elves, which defeats your argument.
Did you ever end up finding Auric with that expedition team? :)There are dialogue options where one of the High Elves explains to the player that they are not a Blood Elf.
Keep in mind their example of a Blood Elf was keals Fel Sucking Crazy Elves.
This was referring to Kael'thas' Sunfury, not the Sin'dorei in Quel'thalas, hence why he specifically mentions Kael'thas himself.
This clarification was only made because many of the hostile elves in Outland were Kael'thas' Blood Elven forces, not out of a disgust for the Blood Elves in Azeroth.Considering most of your points are made up Bullcrap scenarios or Decanonized material you have no rights whatsoever to cry headcanon.
Literally nothing I've said here has been deconanized, you merely refuse to acknowledge it because you don't want to hear it. The irony is most of your arguments are suffused with headcanon.
I guess it must sit pretty hard for you that you'll never get playable High elves huh? Hope you enjoy your blue berry elves. :)
11/14/2018 03:55 PMPosted by Crøwley11/14/2018 01:42 PMPosted by Joyeuse...If that's what it takes to be able to play the single most requested and lore-justified Alliance race that has yet to be introduced, then your plan sounds good to me.
Hahaha, dare I ask you have proof of that?
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Hahaha, dare I ask you have proof of that?
It's the 170 upvotes the thread has gotten over the course of almost 2 months, obviously
11/14/2018 03:55 PMPosted by Softsong...
This is essentially you saying "This reliable source of Warcraft lore is wrong because I said so." Right, let me take your opinion over it. I don't know whether or not I should feel bad for you, or laugh.
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I never said they were 100% banished, I said many of them are banished as I have also provided an example of. And unless you have evidence that proves all the High elves on the Alliance were the ones that remained after the second war, that is merely your own headcanon. Ironic, right?
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Making up? I never said they are going to corrupt High elves, I said it was a possible reason why Void elves would get HE customization. Are you even reading? No one asked you to prove, or argue anything, but if you're going to tell me it's not possible, you better have a damn good explanation to refute it.
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I was not referring to the High elves that remained with the Alliance after the second war, I'm referring to the High elves that joined the Alliance after leaving Quel'thalas. These High elves have not been gone from than 10 years.
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You have no way of proving if these are "Special" cases, just sounds like you're cherry picking to suit your argument. Unless you can provide proof that all the High elves in the Alliance are only made up of loyalists that remained after the second war. More headcanon I see.
You also have no way of proving that High Elves and Blood Elves don't have many loved ones and family, or that this is "rare" as I have already given examples of this on numerous occasions. And unless you have all the names of all the High elves and Blood elves, it is merely your conjecture. Stop self-inserting your headcanon into this conversation.
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Link?
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You have no way of proving whether or not Auric wants them to join the Alliance or not, although that wasn't the point in the first place. The point was the Allerian stronghold's leader shows clear interest in reunifying the High and Blood Elves, which defeats your argument.
Did you ever end up finding Auric with that expedition team? :)
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This was referring to Kael'thas' Sunfury, not the Sin'dorei in Quel'thalas, hence why he specifically mentions Kael'thas himself.
This clarification was only made because many of the hostile elves in Outland were Kael'thas' Blood Elven forces, not out of a disgust for the Blood Elves in Azeroth.
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Literally nothing I've said here has been deconanized, you merely refuse to acknowledge it because you don't want to hear it. The irony is most of your arguments are suffused with headcanon.
I guess it must sit pretty hard for you that you'll never get playable High elves huh? Hope you enjoy your blue berry elves. :)
Yea these pro elf guys link wowpedia almost daily to justify their cause, but I guess it only counts as reliable source for them when it's in their favor or suits their side of the argument. That's why no one takes this thread seriously. They love to go round in circles.
https://i.imgur.com/4nPaKoM.jpg11/14/2018 04:01 PMPosted by Crøwley...
It's the 170 upvotes the thread has gotten over the course of almost 2 months, obviously
Lol wow. Yea, what a joke lol. So if I get 171 votes who are against, does that mean I falsify her claim?
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Yea these pro elf guys link wowpedia almost daily to justify their cause, but I guess it only counts as reliable source for them when it's in their favor or suits their side of the argument. That's why no one takes this thread seriously. They love to go round in circles.
The Wowpedia is literally information they got off of The Warcraft Encyclopedia, which was officially posted by Blizzard Entertainment. It is still considered Canon in every respect. He just conveniently forgets that to help strengthen his argument, too bad it does the exact opposite of that, and only outlines how truly desperate he is in the conversation.