Lmao the fact that you're so obsessed with this topic that you visit other sites to pick on people is amusing to me. Don't cut yourself on all that edge.11/14/2018 04:18 PMPosted by CrøwleyYea, only recently, they are making it blatantly obvious now. They should go see the mmochamp high elf megathread, it is a slaughterhouse over there for the pros.
I found one statement over there to be very funny. One guy said, Blizzard uses high elf NPCs as nothing but placeholder fodder because they are too plain and too uninteresting for anyone to notice them lol. I have to say, bravo lol.
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Yea, only recently, they are making it blatantly obvious now. They should go see the mmochamp high elf megathread, it is a slaughterhouse over there for the pros.Lmao the fact that you're so obsessed with this topic that you visit other sites to pick on people is amusing to me. Don't cut yourself on all that edge.
I found one statement over there to be very funny. One guy said, Blizzard uses high elf NPCs as nothing but placeholder fodder because they are too plain and too uninteresting for anyone to notice them lol. I have to say, bravo lol.
Dont flatter yourself. It's right on the front page. And it's getting obliterated like your arguments here lol.
I love to laugh. And reading the massacre over there is actually very entertaining.
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I support high elves on the Alliance. :D
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11/14/2018 03:55 PMPosted by SoftsongThis is essentially you saying "This reliable source of Warcraft lore is wrong because I said so." Right, let me take your opinion over it. I don't know whether or not I should feel bad for you, or laugh.
It's a Wikie.
You have to cite the actual sources of the info.
Things are often misworded or filled in in Wikies.
Given that you keep citing RPG info I don't think you understand that.
Actual Lore > Wiki.
The Encyclopedia is indeed currently canon unless something contradicts it. But it has to be from there as the wikie might not be citing it correctly.
This is a problem with all Wikies.
11/14/2018 03:55 PMPosted by SoftsongI never said they were 100% banished, I said many of them are banished as I have also provided an example of. And unless you have evidence that proves all the High elves on the Alliance were the ones that remained after the second war, that is merely your own headcanon. Ironic, right?
I never said that.
You made the unsupported claim that the majority came from exiles with no proof.
The only group confirmed to be exiles are the now mostly expired Quel'lithien Lodge members.
Dalaran being the largest group is well sourced. Second largest being being Allerian Stronghold was in outland. There rest are not 100% clear what % of them may or not be exiles.
You failed to try and spread your own headcanon and are trying to call my stuff headcanon to distract from that. Stop it.
Making up? I never said they are going to corrupt High elves, I said it was a possibility. No one asked you to prove, or argue anything, but if you're going to tell me it's not possible, you better have a damn good explanation to refute it.
You made up a bullcrap scenario based off of no real evidence and was told it was highly unlikely given the actual state of the lore.
I'm not going to go into detail on how your totally hypothetical out of nowhere scenario that has no real basis in reality is just that.
11/14/2018 03:55 PMPosted by SoftsongLink?
It's with the tribe of forest trolls that the Horde are helping.
You named your RP guild Highvale and wear their gear to RP as one and you have no idea what's going on there?
11/14/2018 03:55 PMPosted by SoftsongYou have no way of proving whether or not Auric wants them to join the Alliance or not, although that wasn't the point in the first place. The point was the Allerian stronghold's leader shows clear interest in reunifying the High and Blood Elves, which defeats your argument.
It really doesn't.
Wanting something is not the same thing as getting. And given context with Alleria and the fact he has an expedition team named after him it's far more likely that he would want Silvermoon to join the Alliance.
11/14/2018 03:55 PMPosted by SoftsongDid you ever end up finding Auric with that expedition team? :)
Don't need to. It has his name on it.
11/14/2018 03:55 PMPosted by SoftsongThis was referring to Kael'thas' Sunfury, not the Sin'dorei in Quel'thalas, hence why he specifically mentions Kael'thas himself.
This clarification was only made because many of the hostile elves in Outland were Kael'thas' Blood Elven forces, not out of a disgust for the Blood Elves in Azeroth.
It was against the sucking of mana from living things.
That's all Blood Elves.
11/14/2018 03:55 PMPosted by SoftsongLiterally nothing I've said here has been deconanized, you merely refuse to acknowledge it because you don't want to hear it. The irony is most of your arguments are suffused with headcanon.
Large chunks of your arguments are based off of outdated info or stuff you made up.
The fact that you keep having to ask if my stuff is headcanon only means you don't have a firm understanding of the material.
And when I am wrong I am more than happy to admit so. Because it's far easier to ground your arguments in reality then not.
How's the blue berry elves? :)
Planning to take over Silvermoon to free them from the Horde.
Have fun if Blizzard follows through with that.
They are also getting along quite well with the High Elves and have firmly set themselves in the Alliance. Safe to say they will be friends in the Alliance for the foreseeable future.
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I haven't argued anything all I've said is I support High Elves on the alliance. Seriously, your obsession sounds a bit unhealthy though.11/14/2018 04:23 PMPosted by CrøwleyDont flatter yourself. It's right on the front page. And it's getting obliterated like your arguments here lol.
I love to laugh. And reading the massacre over there is actually very entertaining.
Edit: I'll let you guys get back on topic though. Hope you guys get your High Elves eventually. :)
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11/14/2018 04:27 PMPosted by NimblepawI haven't argued anything all I've said is I support High Elves on the alliance. Seriously, your obsession sounds a bit unhealthy though.11/14/2018 04:23 PMPosted by CrøwleyDont flatter yourself. It's right on the front page. And it's getting obliterated like your arguments here lol.
I love to laugh. And reading the massacre over there is actually very entertaining.
Edit: I'll let you guys get back on topic though. Hope you guys get your High Elves eventually. :)
Yes, I have an obsession with laughing, yea u got me there.
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11/14/2018 04:23 PMPosted by Crøwley...Lmao the fact that you're so obsessed with this topic that you visit other sites to pick on people is amusing to me. Don't cut yourself on all that edge.
Dont flatter yourself. It's right on the front page. And it's getting obliterated like your arguments here lol.
I love to laugh. And reading the massacre over there is actually very entertaining.
You lost any credibility mentionning mmochamp.
The mmochamp forums are a cesspool of anti-alliance anything really. It's really just the same people and that dude with the edgy red eye picture repeating "ION SAID NO", nitpicking at semantics and being super mellow-dramatic.
I feel like you're wasting a lot of energy being this bitter towards a feature that would have no effect on you.
If you disagree with high elves, state your reasons and expect to be countered with obvious ingame and lore evidence.
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Dont flatter yourself. It's right on the front page. And it's getting obliterated like your arguments here lol.
I love to laugh. And reading the massacre over there is actually very entertaining.
You lost any credibility mentionning mmochamp.
The mmochamp forums are a cesspool of anti-alliance anything really. It's really just the same people and that dude with the edgy red eye picture repeating "ION SAID NO", nitpicking at semantics and being super mellow-dramatic.
I feel like you're wasting a lot of energy being this bitter towards a feature that would have no effect on you.
If you disagree with high elves, state your reasons and expect to be countered with obvious ingame and lore evidence.
:) Too much salt in your diet.
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It's a Wikie.
You have to cite the actual sources of the info.
Things are often misworded or filled in in Wikies.
Given that you keep citing RPG info I don't think you understand that.
Actual Lore > Wiki.
Except Wowpedia is backed by the Warcraft Encyclopedia... an official post by Blizzard Entertainment. It is literally the source they get all their information from. It is the main baseline they have built their Wiki off of, and why it is considered the most reliable, and resourceful place to get Warcraft Lore from.
The fact that I have to tell you this...
You made the unsupported claim that the majority came from exiles with no proof.
The only group confirmed to be exiles are the now mostly expired Quel'lithien Lodge members.
Dalaran being the largest group is well sourced. Second largest being being Allerian Stronghold was in outland. There rest are not 100% clear what % of them may or not be exiles.
You failed to try and spread your own headcanon and are trying to call my stuff headcanon to distract from that. Stop it.
According the Warcraft Encyclopedia High elves on the Alliance have emerged in three different ways. They either remained after the second war,left after apposing Kael'thas' teachings, or are made up remaining remnants that joined at later dates. The point is in only one case were they made up loyalists, and on two other occasions were made up banished elves. This is not headcanon, this is the official lore posted by Blizzard Entertainment.
You made up a bullcrap scenario based off of no real evidence and was told it was highly unlikely given the actual state of the lore.
I'm not going to go into detail on how your totally hypothetical out of nowhere scenario that has no real basis in reality is just that.
I gave plenty of evidence of the Void corrupting it's victims, heck half of Alleria's quest into the Void was questioning the Ethereal on how he and his people managed to resist the Void's corruption. Not everything is known about the void, so speculating on what is capable is not bullcrap, especially if much of it is based on what we've already seen.
You can't go into detail because there's nothing you can say that really makes any point, you meander pointlessly with no real argument because silly insults to further you weak argument.
It's with the tribe of forest trolls that the Horde are helping.
You named your RP guild Highvale and wear their gear to RP as on and you have no idea what's going on there?
I asked for a link.
Who RPs? I like the transmog, and Highvale aesthetic. Something tells me you must be an RPer to kept implying that.
It was against the sucking of mana from living things.
That's all Blood Elves
It was still specifically targeted to Kael'thas' elves, not the ones on Azeroth. Try again.
Large chunks of your arguments are based off of outdated info or stuff you made up.
The fact that you keep having to ask if my stuff is headcanon only means you don't have a firm understanding of the material.
And when I am wrong I am more than happy to admit so. Because it's far easier to ground your arguments in reality then not.
The saddest part is that none of it is outdated or made up, it's all from the Warcraft Encyclopedia Blizzard itself posted. Which is ALL considered canon, and was even tweeted as such by the devs.
@Loreology @Bashiok Warcraft Encyclopedia was disappeared long time, does it means the history information from encyclopedia was abolished？
@GregoryMoonkin @Bashiok Not at all. While there might be some updates to it, its disappearance doesn't mean it's no longer canonical. :)
It's funny that you keep calling my comments Headcanon, but you literally have no idea what you;re talking about.
Also, too bad you're only stuck with the Blue berry elves
"If you want to be a fair skinned, light haired, blue eyed elf...sorry, the horde is there waiting for you"
-Game Director Ion Hazzikostas
Man, the fact that Ion said that must really burn. <3
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Some high elves here, some high elves over there, a smaller group in that other place, and so on.
With no distinct nation (like Kul'tiran and Dark Iron) - they are dispersed -, no distinct racial difference (like Void elves, Dark Iron, and by lore alone the Lightforged) - every Blood elf except the very young remembers being a High elf, the name change was so recent -, no distinct culture (like Dark Iron, Kul'tiran, and Lightforged) - some of them are deathly opposed to the Sin'dorei and some of them desire unification -, there is no compelling reason High elves should be an allied race for alliance (or the Horde).
One reason not to do them for the Alliance is faction identity. Blood elves are a big deal in the Horde. Rolling the same on alliance with death knight colored eyes is not a good idea - it's a bad idea.
With no distinct nation (like Kul'tiran and Dark Iron) - they are dispersed -, no distinct racial difference (like Void elves, Dark Iron, and by lore alone the Lightforged) - every Blood elf except the very young remembers being a High elf, the name change was so recent -, no distinct culture (like Dark Iron, Kul'tiran, and Lightforged) - some of them are deathly opposed to the Sin'dorei and some of them desire unification -, there is no compelling reason High elves should be an allied race for alliance (or the Horde).
One reason not to do them for the Alliance is faction identity. Blood elves are a big deal in the Horde. Rolling the same on alliance with death knight colored eyes is not a good idea - it's a bad idea.
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@Softsong
Holy crap this topic has exploded with regards to the discussion of High Elves rejoining the Alliance since I've been gone. Softsong I admire the dedication to the idea of peace between High Elves and Blood Elves!
That being said though, I noticed you plucked some quotes from the Wiki regarding relations between the Night Elves and High Elves and it's kind of shady when you're not posting everything that's up to date.
Taken from your exact link and quote, the following lines right after what you were cherry picking I found:
I'm going to go on ahead and post everything else from your link that overwhelmingly shows a stronger relationship that High Elves have with the Alliance than anything potentially resembling anything but disdain for members of the Horde. It's a bit of a read, but that's because I'm not going to exclude anything.
Anything I mark in bold is of particular note.
Holy crap this topic has exploded with regards to the discussion of High Elves rejoining the Alliance since I've been gone. Softsong I admire the dedication to the idea of peace between High Elves and Blood Elves!
That being said though, I noticed you plucked some quotes from the Wiki regarding relations between the Night Elves and High Elves and it's kind of shady when you're not posting everything that's up to date.
Taken from your exact link and quote, the following lines right after what you were cherry picking I found:
Following the high elves' banishment from Quel'Thalas, some of them chose to rejoin the Alliance, and the night elves were among their greatest critics. While the traditional allies of the Alliance treated the high elves to a cold reception and suspicion due to their secession after the Second War, the night elves took it upon themselves to warn the Alliance (which they, too, were now a part of) against the high elves.[2]
However, since Wrath of the Lich King relations may be thawing. The presence of night elves in the Silver Covenant settlements suggests this, and high elves are even allowed inside Darnassus. Arcanist Dulial has a permanent residence there, and a night elf, Moonbell, has been accepted in the ranks of the Silver Covenant.
Vereesa Windrunner attended the wedding of Tyrande Whisperwind and Malfurion Stormrage with her husband and half-elf sons; suggesting improved night elf- high elf relations.[33]
I'm going to go on ahead and post everything else from your link that overwhelmingly shows a stronger relationship that High Elves have with the Alliance than anything potentially resembling anything but disdain for members of the Horde. It's a bit of a read, but that's because I'm not going to exclude anything.
Anything I mark in bold is of particular note.
High elves have an awkward and somewhat distrustful relationship with the Ironforge dwarves, but they do rely on each other in times of war, and have common ties to the Alliance.[citation needed]
It is implied that the high elves had a positive relationship with the Wildhammer dwarves. During the Scourge invasion, the high elves planned to send their children to seek refuge with the dwarves in the Hinterlands even though the elves had already left the Alliance.[9] Wildhammers and high elves had much in common in the past, including a love of nature and hatred of evil.[citation needed]
Humans and high elves have a long history. They fought the overwhelming Amani Empire together in the Troll Wars, the monstrous Orcish Horde in the Second War and horrifying nightmares of the Burning Legion and Scourge in the Third War. The high elven nation's conduct at the end of the Second War led to bitterness and resentment toward the elves, but humans are also amongst the few races to accept the high elves into their cities; they can currently be seen occupying the human city of Stormwind, and Theramore before its fall. There are many high elves in the Theramore military. Of the human kingdoms, the high elves have the closest relationship with the magocrats of the Kirin Tor, as elves have been allies and productive members of the Kirin Tor for over 2,000 years.[56] The high elf prince Kael'thas Sunstrider even served on its ruling council, and it was not uncommon for high elf mages to study, serve, and even live in Dalaran in addition to Quel'Thalas. Grand Magister Rommath spent much of his life in Dalaran as a high elf, and Vereesa Windrunner was married to its leader. The Kirin Tor have even granted the high elves a safe haven in Dalaran after their exile from Quel'Thalas,[citation needed] and Dalaran serves as a home for the Silver Covenant, the most prominent group of modern high elves.
The high elves were, at best, reluctant members of the original human-centric Alliance of Lordaeron,[7] and their partnership was a cold and distant one. The high elven king and council were particularly unenthusiastic allies, caring little for the world outside Quel'Thalas and only agreeing to join the Alliance because of a pact made long ago to the line of King Thoradin; and even so, the high elves seceded soon after that pact was fulfilled. After officially departing from the Alliance, the high elves shut themselves off in their enchanted kingdom, and the few who remained with the Alliance did so against the orders of their reclusive masters in Silvermoon.[57]
Although physically and culturally disparate, gnomes share the elves' natural affinity to magic,[58] and it is known that gnomes and high elves worked together in Dalaran before its fall, particularly within the Council of Tirisfal.
It seems that the high elves and draenei have developed a bond, as there are draenei present at Quel'Danil Lodge.
Apart from the tauren, with whom the Highborne had had some ancient historical contact, high elves loathe the majority of the Horde's races, having fought against trolls, orcs, and undead in recent wars. The recent entry of the blood elves into the Horde has likely made relations worse.[citation needed]
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11/14/2018 04:23 PMPosted by Crøwley...Lmao the fact that you're so obsessed with this topic that you visit other sites to pick on people is amusing to me. Don't cut yourself on all that edge.
Dont flatter yourself. It's right on the front page. And it's getting obliterated like your arguments here lol.
I love to laugh. And reading the massacre over there is actually very entertaining.
Oh honey...
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11/14/2018 05:29 PMPosted by IratioSome high elves here, some high elves over there, a smaller group in that other place, and so on.
With no distinct nation (like Kul'tiran and Dark Iron) - they are dispersed -, no distinct racial difference (like Void elves, Dark Iron, and by lore alone the Lightforged) - every Blood elf except the very young remembers being a High elf, the name change was so recent -, no distinct culture (like Dark Iron, Kul'tiran, and Lightforged) - some of them are deathly opposed to the Sin'dorei and some of them desire unification -, there is no compelling reason High elves should be an allied race for alliance (or the Horde).
One reason not to do them for the Alliance is faction identity. Blood elves are a big deal in the Horde. Rolling the same on alliance with death knight colored eyes is not a good idea - it's a bad idea.
The argument that High Elves have no culture of their own when Void Elves where BE just less than a year ago and their "culture" boils to being forcefully changed it's so disingenuous.
High Elves have been living, assimilating into other cultures, that by DEFINITION changes their culture. To say they have the same culture than Blood Elves literally dismisses their different context.
High Elf culture, or call it Silver Coveanant culture if the semantics bother you, is staying in the alliance, in a human city, over returning to Quel'thalas, and maybe it's also porking humans.
Really, the claim that HE have no culture when the reasons they are no longer part of Blood Elves because of of ideological and political differences is so... silly.
Highvale Elves even have their own light/nature thing going on, and the SC is a highly militant Dalarani group. What of their culture even remotely resembles Blood Elven culture?
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I like how the anti's can't think of an argument against the fact high elves have lived in human kingdoms for thousands of years and don't associate themselves with quel'thelas even pre warcraft 1 timeline wise as well as their population likely being larger than that of the survivors of quel'thelas after the scourge invasion.
They don't have an argument against it so they just pretend it doesn't exist.
They don't have an argument against it so they just pretend it doesn't exist.
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About the High Elves rejoining the Blood Elves.
-There has been like 10 in game years since the Sunwell was reignited. We have yet to have confirmation of one single High Elf rejoining the Blood Elves.
-We have had both Vereesa and Alleria, leaders of the largest groups of High Elves exiles, hoping for Silvermoon to return to the alliance, and believing in redemption for the Blood Elves -Hint, that does not mean joining the horde since that's what the BE have to be redeemed from in her eyes-
-High Elves wanting unification does not mean they want to join the Horde, if so, they would have already done it. Is it then the BE membership on the Horde what stops actual reunification?
-On the other side, Lor'themar literally conspired with Varian so the Blood Elves rejoined the Alliance. What a luck for the Horde that Jaina was pissed and the SC was so willing to enforce her orders, cause again, it was not the Kirin Tor rounding the Blood Elves, no, it was almost exclusively High Elven SC doing the rounding up, with gusto.
Oh, I am sure that if Blizzard wanted, they would make the HE rejoin the BE, sure. But to say that with the current lore that makes more sense than... High Elves remaining on the alliance as they have been since they didn't chose to rejoin the Blood Elves at any point during the last 10 years, is a stretch.
-There has been like 10 in game years since the Sunwell was reignited. We have yet to have confirmation of one single High Elf rejoining the Blood Elves.
-We have had both Vereesa and Alleria, leaders of the largest groups of High Elves exiles, hoping for Silvermoon to return to the alliance, and believing in redemption for the Blood Elves -Hint, that does not mean joining the horde since that's what the BE have to be redeemed from in her eyes-
-High Elves wanting unification does not mean they want to join the Horde, if so, they would have already done it. Is it then the BE membership on the Horde what stops actual reunification?
-On the other side, Lor'themar literally conspired with Varian so the Blood Elves rejoined the Alliance. What a luck for the Horde that Jaina was pissed and the SC was so willing to enforce her orders, cause again, it was not the Kirin Tor rounding the Blood Elves, no, it was almost exclusively High Elven SC doing the rounding up, with gusto.
Oh, I am sure that if Blizzard wanted, they would make the HE rejoin the BE, sure. But to say that with the current lore that makes more sense than... High Elves remaining on the alliance as they have been since they didn't chose to rejoin the Blood Elves at any point during the last 10 years, is a stretch.
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11/14/2018 04:53 PMPosted by SoftsongExcept Wowpedia is backed by the Warcraft Encyclopedia... an official post by Blizzard Entertainment. It is literally the source they get all their information from. It is the main baseline they have built their Wiki off of, and why it is considered the most reliable, and resourceful place to get Warcraft Lore from.
The fact that I have to tell you this...
*Cough*
The Encyclopedia is indeed currently canon unless something contradicts it. But it has to be from there as the wikie might not be citing it correctly.
This is a problem with all Wikies.
Though you might not have refreshed the page when I added that.
But you're not just citing the actual info and is some cases aren't citing it at all.
11/14/2018 04:53 PMPosted by SoftsongAccording the Warcraft Encyclopedia High elves on the Alliance have emerged in three different ways. They either remained after the second war,left after apposing Kael'thas' teachings, or are made up remaining remnants that joined at later dates. The point is in only one case were they made up loyalists, and on two other occasions were made up banished elves. This is not headcanon, this is the official lore posted by Blizzard Entertainment.
So? Where does it say the majority came from exiles as you claim?
And only one of those is exiles. Not two.
Allerian Stronghold are not exiles and they are the only one that "Joined at a latter date".
We have exactly one group confirmed to be exiles and they are dead (Except for 2-3 people)
Though Quel'Danil are Highly Likely to be exiles or refugees or be largely made up of them.
11/14/2018 04:53 PMPosted by SoftsongI gave plenty of evidence of the Void corrupting it's victims, heck half of Alleria's quest into the Void was questioning the Ethereal on how he and his people managed to resist the Void's corruption. Not everything is known about the void, so speculating on what is capable is not bullcrap, especially if much of it is based on what we've already seen.
You came up with it out of nothing but wishful thinking to push High Elves to Horde.
There is nothing to show in the game that this could happen.
11/14/2018 04:53 PMPosted by SoftsongYou can't go into detail because there's nothing you can say that really makes any point, you meander pointlessly with no real argument because silly insults to further you weak argument.
There's no details to be had. You made the whole thing up. I pointed out where there is no evidence for it.
I would literally have to argue against your train of thought.
My argument is that you made the whole thing up. That's apparent to all.
"The Void Corrupts" isn't a strong argument for the Void Elves betraying the High Elves or them to suddenly start spreading like a disease.
In fact, over the course of this conversation about this I have actually made a full set of counters to your points despite not wanting to make a large post about it... Whoops.
11/14/2018 04:53 PMPosted by SoftsongI asked for a link.
It seems she was removed in Cata and replaced by two Forsaken NPCs.
My bad. I do take fault for that.
Wonder if she will be there in Classic... What patch are they doing?
11/14/2018 04:53 PMPosted by SoftsongWho RPs? I like the transmog, and Highvale aesthetic. Something tells me you must be an RPer to kept implying that.
I mean, what else are you going to call pretending to be part of an Alliance group?
11/14/2018 04:53 PMPosted by SoftsongIt was still specifically targeted to Kael'thas' elves, not the ones on Azeroth. Try again.
I'm a HIGH elf, not a blood elf. Don't worry, I'm not going to suck all of the magic out of you.
-Taela Everstride
11/14/2018 04:53 PMPosted by SoftsongThe saddest part is that none of it is outdated or made up, it's all from the Warcraft Encyclopedia Blizzard itself posted. Which is ALL considered canon, and was even tweeted as such by the devs.
@Loreology @Bashiok Warcraft Encyclopedia was disappeared long time, does it means the history information from encyclopedia was abolished？
@GregoryMoonkin @Bashiok Not at all. While there might be some updates to it, its disappearance doesn't mean it's no longer canonical. :)
It's funny that you keep calling my comments Headcanon, but you literally have no idea what you;re talking about.
Except you're not citing it from the encyclopedia. You;re just saying "It's there! Look it up!" or just going through great lengths to defend it.
Also, too bad you're only stuck with the Blue berry elves
"If you want to be a fair skinned, light haired, blue eyed elf...sorry, the horde is there waiting for you"
-Game Director Ion Hazzikostas
Man, the fact that Ion said that must really burn. <3
Trolling huh? I'm not going to reduce myself to that level this time.
At this point I can safely say it's pointless to try and carry on a conversation. You are just repeating the same stuff over and over and it's getting nowhere.
I should be the bigger person and step out but eah, this stuffs easy to counter.
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*Cough*
The Encyclopedia is indeed currently canon unless something contradicts it. But it has to be from there as the wikie might not be citing it correctly.
This is a problem with all Wikies.
Though you might not have refreshed the page when I added that.
But you're not just citing the actual info and is some cases aren't citing it at all.
But I'm not just seeing it on the wiki, it's on the Encyclopedia as well, so? Like you're trying to refute one of the most well-known facts in the game. The High elves were received coldly after the 3rd war. This is both cited in the Encyclopedia and the Wiki. So if you want to argue against the facts, I guess there's no one stopping you?
So? Where does it say the majority came from exiles as you claim?
And only one of those is exiles. Not two.
Allerian Stronghold are not exiles and they are the only one that "Joined at a latter date".
We have exactly one group confirmed to be exiles and they are dead (Except for 2-3 people)
My point wasn't that they were all exiles, but that most of the High elves haven't been on the Alliance for 30 years, and that many have only been there for barely a decade. The whole reason I even made this point was that you argued that they all remained with the Alliance purely out of loyalty, when in reality many only joined because they disagreed with the teachings of Kael'thas. Whether or not they're exiled is hardly relevant to my argument.
You came up with it out of nothing but wishful thinking to push High Elves to Horde.
There is nothing to show in the game that this could happen.
The void being corruptive, and having it's own agenda is all the evidence I need for this to be a possibility. The fact that it used Alleria against her will, and channeled void monsters through her is proof of this being a possibility. You have to be trying REALLY hard to pretend all these things didn't happen. Clearly the void isn't completely in their control. I guess you're just being defensive?
I mean, what else are you going to call pretending to be part of an Alliance group?
Who's pretending? You realize it's a guild name, and a transmog right? Is Talendrion RPing as the Kirin tor because he's wearing their outfit? Or is he pretending to be part of the Silver covenant for wearing their Tabard? Reading a little too much into there buddy.
I'm a HIGH elf, not a blood elf. Don't worry, I'm not going to suck all of the magic out of you.
-Taela Everstride
*cough*
Keep in mind their example of a Blood Elf was keals Fel Sucking Crazy Elves.
Except you're not citing it from the encyclopedia. You;re just saying "It's there! Look it up!" or just going through great lengths to defend it.
The saddest part is I am citing it from the Encyclopedia, you're just too ignorant to accept that it's factual lore. But I guess you have a lot of fun playing pretend.
Trolling huh? I'm not going to reduce myself to that level this time.
At this point I can safely say it's pointless to try and carry on a conversation. You are just repeating the same stuff over and over and it's getting nowhere.
I should be the bigger person and step out but eah, this stuffs easy to counter.
The irony in this is just palpable. You are literally the biggest hypocrite lmao
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11/14/2018 04:53 PMPosted by Softsong"If you want to be a fair skinned, light haired, blue eyed elf...sorry, the horde is there waiting for you"
-Game Director Ion Hazzikostas
Man, the fact that Ion said that must really burn. <3
WeW. I get that people are starting to really get passionate over the topic at hand, but once we start getting passive aggressive with one another, it hurts your credibility and sincerity while also making a slippery slope that goes straight from being somewhat productive and an interesting topic, to just plain old mud flinging that will only further entrench everyone to their base opinions.
It's safe to say that while you have evidence to support your claim that there are some sympathetic High Elves that wish to rejoin with their people, there are just as many, if not more counter points to ensure that this peaceful resolution never comes to pass.
When comments like what I just read above start sprouting, it's clear that there really isn't anything left of value to be shared on the subject, and nobody is going to likely agree with anyone else. I suggest that people agree to disagree on this subject and just let it go.
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While I full heartily support Quel’dorei for Alliance in reality it saddens me it won’t happen.
I’ve been playing wow consistently from Christmas 2004 and it’s going onto 14 years this has been requested.
While I honestly deep down wish blizzard would just listen to the feedback and ideas we have given, they just blatantly ignore it.
I guess this thread is just hope for me, while some people like to argue the point and get satisfied with crushing people speculations and theories (nothing better to do in life), I come to this thread to keep the dream inside me alive. 14 years and going strong with no stopping in sight.
Keep the dream alive, Quel’dorei for Alliance!
I’ve been playing wow consistently from Christmas 2004 and it’s going onto 14 years this has been requested.
While I honestly deep down wish blizzard would just listen to the feedback and ideas we have given, they just blatantly ignore it.
I guess this thread is just hope for me, while some people like to argue the point and get satisfied with crushing people speculations and theories (nothing better to do in life), I come to this thread to keep the dream inside me alive. 14 years and going strong with no stopping in sight.
Keep the dream alive, Quel’dorei for Alliance!
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11/14/2018 11:26 PMPosted by PepinoWhile I full heartily support Quel’dorei for Alliance in reality it saddens me it won’t happen.
I’ve been playing wow consistently from Christmas 2004 and it’s going onto 14 years this has been requested.
While I honestly deep down wish blizzard would just listen to the feedback and ideas we have given, they just blatantly ignore it.
I guess this thread is just hope for me, while some people like to argue the point and get satisfied with crushing people speculations and theories (nothing better to do in life), I come to this thread to keep the dream inside me alive. 14 years and going strong with no stopping in sight.
Keep the dream alive, Quel’dorei for Alliance!
Never give up, my dude! It's more possible now more than ever before with the implementation of Allied Races! So long as people continue to show support for the idea and come up with interesting ways to implement them, we can hope that Blizzard will one day decide that it's time to let the Quel'dorei shine.
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