The economy needs deflation immediately. The reality I have observed over the past months is that EVERY SINGLE RAIDER, across multiple guilds, is habitually buying gold to pay for their consumes and to support their playstyle. And not just a few bucks worth. HUNDREDS of dollars worth of gold.
The solution to this is NOT trying to fight the bots and gold farmers. You can’t win there. The solution is classic economic deflation. You flood the world and market with resources.
Multiply the reagents for crafting collected from mobs and nodes by 6-10x. Every blue you DE yields 6 prismatic shards. Every herbing node is enough for 1-2 potion(s) etc. Every elemental drops straight up primals, not motes.
I started farming fire elements for motes and after 2 hours I had a handful of motes to show for it. So the better option for ANY RAIDER is let the damn bots do it, acquire gold by some other means and just buy what you need.
You NEED to tip the scales in the players mind toward their effort gathering being worth the time invested. And right now it is tipped OVERWHELMINGLY toward just buying gold, which is evidenced by the STATE OF RAIDING IN EVERY GUILD.
If someone tells me they are casually playing the game and can afford dozens of haste pots, flasks, consumes and enchants, they are lying.
Everyone isn’t really accurate. I farm my own consumes for my two raiding characters and have the whole time. Granted I don’t need Haste posts or Relentless Assault flasks and I’m sure that would be more annoying, but still.
I’ll agree that if you look at an entire guild it would be rare to find one where no one bought gold. however, saying that every single raider buys it is just not correct. It’s even more incorrect than stating that no one likes world PVP.
Still reducing the rarity for some resources (Terocone for example) wouldn’t be a bad thing.
Have you tried herbing them without a rogue or a mage waiting for you to loot it and ninja herbing it? I once had a 2 min standdown against these rats for a tree because they’re relentless.
And yes, gold inflation is getting really bad because of what OP’s pointed out and the fact that there is a serious problem and it’s with reagents. Need haste pots? Sorry! Terrocone is being farmed and camped by bots under the map in Terrokar and Shadowmoon. Leading these herbs to dramatically go up in price. 1 terrocone last month was 3g. It’s now 8g due to no normal players getting their hands on some unless its in an instance.
It puts players who herb for their profession and sell in a huge disadvantage as they can’t find these herbs to sell at all, and players who need it for consumes need to find a way to buy these herbs, but it’s only these botters selling them for obvious RMT and huge mark ups on the AH. This has to stop.
We need to introduce a gold sink and the answer is super obvious, People will hate it as WAHHH NO CHANGES (lmao):
It would be cool if the technology existed to /who Botanica and auto-ban the 65 Mages using fly and teleport hacks, but alas, it is not. Banning cheaters is only within the budget of private servers who run on donations, or nothing at all.
Flood the world with terrocone nodes and let the bots undercut each other until the price drops. People are buying gold so they don’t have to farm.
That said, of course not every raider is buying gold… I would wager there are some in the majority of guilds. But you’ll also see there are also others who just cut the amount of consumes they use. you can only use what you can afford to bring.
Excuse me? I am raiding T5 and I never bought gold in any version of wow. People like me who sit at 50-200k gold simply dinged 70 the first week and used smart farming spots to increase their gold with no effort and no time. Examples are steamvault mining first week, selling ores and primals double or even triple the prices now. 3k Gold an hour was easily possible.
There is also people who boosted people every day as mage in classic and went into tbc with 10 - 30k gold then simply flipping the ah later on with it… no one has to buy gold, even now you can farm up to 400g an hour depending on server / spot you do. You can very well casually farm consumes for the whole week of raiding.
I am not going to read the rest of your post as that statement already made me not want to, but goodluck.
To be fair, there is a difference between consume usage within guilds. Some people don’t use as many consumes and that goes double depending on wipes and over length of raids.
Like I know for myself I go through about 30-35 haste pots a night in SSC and TK (roughly 4 hours total), maintaining 100% (or close to) uptime on scrolls (agility and strength), kibblers, both major agility and mageblood, and 8 adamantite weight stones for me and my pet, using dark runes/demonic runes almost on CD for bosses, bandages, and fel iron bombs/sappers on trash where I can which are effectively used on CD. I know that there are alot of other hunters are not going to those lengths.
If I were to outright buy those items on Whitemane it can be pretty pricey, sometimes hitting 600-700g a week. Even worse if I didn’t have time to get arrow boxes prepared and having to buy the adamantite to make em.
Once the economy is ruined, it is no longer logical to farm as opposed to just buying from farmers. It costs you LESS for your time spent. That said, I’ve never bought gold on this realm and have no trouble paying for raiding. Casual raiders like myself (4 SSC 1 TK so far) don’t buy “dozens of haste pots and flasks.” I use bombs, basic elixirs, and a whole 2x 75g flasks per week. This is not what I’d call expensive. If I wanted to push numbers, ya, I could guzzle a dozen haste potions per night, but that’s not how a “casual raider” plays the game.
[Disclaimer to braindead forum mods: This user has not told anyone to buy or sell gold in any way.]
No, just… no, the economy was ruined in classic and it will remain ruined. Bumping vendor prices does literally nothing but punish the people who don’t buy gold.
I’ve never bought gold, I pay for all of my consumes, I farm for my gold and no not by AoE farming just cause I’m a mage doesn’t mean I like to AoE farm. I fish, fishing is easy to do and it provides me with a steady flow of gold. I’ve made 8.2k in the last month just from fishing and flipping.
I don’t care if you consider AH gold to be “tainted” gold, gold is gold.
That doesn’t make any sense, the prices on my server at least a very stable and if they just flood it with resources it’d just be back where it was within a month and now there’s someone with however many went on the AH just drip feeding the supply.
It’s basic supply and demand. Flood the market with supply and demand will decrease, which forces prices down. They did this towards the end of classic with the lotus spawns and it helped some.