It’s not but people who usually hide on Alts are trash and need any excuse to
Validate why they are bad.
AGAIN, pay to win is not exclusive to WoW, maybe that’s what you’re not getting. So yeah, people can know if a game is pay to win without playing. Another trash deflect attempt.
And I LOVE how you can’t elaborate… “WoW is still not pay to win”. Good argument there! No sources, no logic to back your claim up, no rebuttal, just you and your word. What an ego to think you’re the authority on what is ir isn’t pay to win, and people should agree just because you say so.
I use to play with this dude named Cefka on Ravenholdt, I thought he was the biggest wow moron, most of the internet agreed, but with that argument you might have him beat…
Didn’t ask for some validation by some rando on the forums.
Game is p2w get over it. Some of the most well known players are quitting, game is going completely downhill fast.
Their main focus is monetizing as much as possible and getting people to buy tokens.
If you can’t see this, your hopelessly lost.
Take care of yourself.
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Right. The only people who think time isn’t an advantage are 12 year olds who have all the time in the world because mommy and daddy take care of everything for them.
THATS the issue here I think.
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It has much greater ramifications in PVP but in PVE it normalises it and creates a market place… look at lengedaries it costs 2-3 months of wow sub time worth of gold to buy the legendary… as a new player coming back to wow and not having that reserve I cant go out and craft it because I need to craft many many many many low level items to rank up to the big item, this puts it out of my reach and thus I have to buy it… so I have to buy a few gold tokens if I want a legendary… i.e I have to spend the equivalent of 3-4 months of wow time if I want to come back to wow and be “current gearing”.
This is why I am still wearing my 225 lgendary… I refuse to pay to win, once my sub runs out I will not renew it the game is subpar right now, unfortunately there are no better games out there (which is why I came back to try wow in the first place).
If they are going to design wow to be all in 24/7 … thats not the game for me. I am an adult now I have responsibilities. Would love to have a game I can just jump into a couple hours a week raid collect gear and move on… this "you have to do callings and mission tables, and grind herbs.
I want skill based challenges like 5 masking visions, mage towers or even flawless running toghast (which I have done one in 220ilvl gear yet get no reward for it but the game says I should be 250+… why isnt there a vault option for this).
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Again never said it was. I have actually played pay to win models which is how I can confidently say WoW is not pay to win.
Not elaborating because I already have and it would be pointless due to your lack of comprehension.
Ahh more insults because you can’t refute basic statements.
Yet you responded.
Ok? They aren’t anything special.
No one is forced to buy tokens. Tokens are the reason the monthly sub is still $15
Sorry you don’t understand what an actual
Pay to win model is
I work 65 hours a week and have a family.
It’s called time management.
If having a senseless argument over facts is good time management, then your time isn’t worth all too much.
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Why would I waste my time trying to refute you, when the only rebuttal you can provide is “derp, character, derp suck” or “because I said so”
What goes around comes around friend, you want an intelligent rebuttal, going to need more than “because I said so”.
Oh, and that whole post spelling it out did refute like all of your statements. In response I get “because I said so”.
PS, you don’t need to flat out say something for it to be inferred. The fact you can’t objectively define pay to win without getting into things exclusive to WoW, things that would be applicable to ALL P2W models really leaves the impression you’re not familiar with anything else at all really.
Ehh I’m getting payed at work right now to kill time while I wait for the city to show up.
Cool story, so you agree, time is an advantage. Those that can managed time better are better off (have an advantage) over those that can’t, pretty much what you’re implying.
So now that it is out there, either you’re a troll or a hypocrite.
You’re commenting on retail which you don’t even play so your opinion is invalid.
I literally never said that. I explained multiple ways how WoW isn’t pay to win.
You haven’t refuted anything but state your flawed opinions.
I literally have already defined it with links to definitions.
Try
To
Keep
Up.
You don’t need a WoW token to manage time my guy.
You don’t need a wowmtoken to purchase boosts.
Your issue is with boosts not the token.
Not either.
You said “because others can get it in game”, which is a trash argument that doesn’t align with any definition of pay to win other than yours. I already blew that argument out of the water, unless you’re saying games like BDO aren’t pay to win.
That’s not all I said. Clearly that’s all that you were able to comprehend.
End of the day you haven’t played retail since legion so you’re opinion literally means nothing.
Who is even saying I have an issue? I don’t care what people do in retail. Facts are still facts, that is all I am saying. Do I think boosts hurt the game? They certainly can, but they aren’t new, they certainly are more prominent in retail since the token started, that too is irrefutable. Is that what this post is about? No, it is about the pay to win model.
You don’t have to be right, that’s fine. Doesn’t matter what any of us think here, they’re still going to be in the game bringing it down.
I never said you had an issue. I said your opinion on anything retail doesn’t matter.
And no it’s not pay to win because again you can’t pay to “win” when you’re payin to be equal with the people who boosted you even then you’re not actually equal you’re still behind skill wise.
Anyone that’s actually played a pay to win game realized that the real money is required to gain an unobtainable item in game without the cash.
That’s not what WoW is.
I know it’s very hard for you to understand this simple concept OP (and his friends in this thread), but here’s how it’s Pay 2 Win in 3 simple steps:
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PAY real money to Blizzard to buy WoW token.
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Trade WoW token that you just purchased with real money for WoW gold. Congrats! You just bought gold legally.
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Use gold you just bought using real money for AOTC/ Cutting Edge/ high M+/ PvP carry.
Grats!!
Instead of cracking down on gold sellers and people that purchase gold illegally, Blizzard instead decided to try and compete with these illegal gold sellers. If you’re caught buying gold illegally, you get a 3 day ban (LOL yes 3 days) so when you come back, you know it’s less risky to buy gold directly from Blizzard instead of someone in Indonesia.
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