You can be fine with some changes and not want others. I don’t understand what’s so mind-bending about it.
Pointytusks constantly posts about the seal change like it’s some big gotcha and inescapable logic trap lol. “What, you don’t want dual spec? Pally seal change! Game and match sweatbeard suck on that!”
So… my take on it. I never liked the different seals thing. I understand at the time Blizzard wanted to keep some things factionally different in spite of all the gnashing of teeth over fear ward in classic, but it was never something I enjoyed in TBC and liked when they equalized it in Wrath. I really didn’t want them to add paid level boosts, but they did. It’s done, there’s literally no use crying over spilled milk so I don’t waste any time or energy on that issue any more.
I’d prefer that they not add dual-spec so I argue against it. But if Blizzard adds it in, that’s that, I’ll get over it and possibly even use it.
That’s not what I mean. #nochanges means literally that. No changes. Any. Pure TBC as it once was in 2007. But they glance over all the changes that have happened. It’s because they either A: Don’t know about them. B: Don’t care about them or C: It effected them in a positive way so it’s a-okay in their book. Like I’m fine with good changes idc. It’s just mindboggling that they want pure TBC 2007 but they don’t have that currently but don’t complain about it.
Here you go.
Yeah, I really don’t get those people. I’d have liked for there to be no changes - but it’s just not possible, and when you take it down to it’s core - what does that even mean? Like does the #nochanges crowd want all the bugs that were in the game when the dark portal opened to stay in for the exact number of days that they existed in original TBC? To what end?
Yep, because I don’t need to be a flake and can draw my line in the sand instead of complaining that a product I don’t like should be made into what it isn’t after having a product molded into something I no longer like thanks to demands of changes that ultimately ruin the experience.
You should have done it back in 2007 if you really wanted that experience, and not now. Where were you back then?
I support the dual spec movement
Playing the game. Obviously I wouldn’t be here now as I left retail as it was ruined to come back to a time before people spit on the game. What about you?
Over here asking for change while playing TBC. But I surely am not hung up on wanting it like 2007 as if I missed my ex, which is what you are doing.
Even while playing in original tbc I would have loved it. Respeccing is an annoyance.
No, you see I accept things for what they are. Which is something you obviously can’t do. I turn on the first Legend of Zelda, I appreciate it exactly for it is and appreciate it for what it isn’t. It isn’t like Ocarina of Time, it isn’t like BotW. It is a Classic of it’s time and I appreciate it as such. Same for Oblivion and Morrowind. I play those games and enjoy them because they aren’t Skyrim. Try going back and playing the first Disgaea after all the QoL improvements in the 5th game of the series. If I want those changes, I play those games. It’s actually quite simple. I don’t demand LoZ give me a horse and an ocarina to warp around the world. I can play Ocarina of Time for that.
Instead of demanding they be what they were never made to be, and what they aren’t, I accept them as they were designed and appreciate where things have gone with the changes made over time. Maybe the issue all along was never TBC, it is ironic though, you’re more of the “Oh he can change this time! I know he will! He’ll listen to me!” type of abused person. TBC didn’t change for you, you left and realized the other guy wasn’t better but now you insist TBC Classic could be yours, only if he changes. Cute.
Usually how it works though. “He wasn’t good enough for me.” And yet here you are… having been burned by the “better” guy. And instead of moving on, you and TBC can be together again only if it changes because you were never the problem obviously.
yeah I agree. I don’t see any cons to adding it. Outside of the less than a % minority “quitting” over it.
All slippery slopes usually end at some point.
But I can go for dual spec in BC classic as long as the impact is limited. $99.99 per toon should limit the impact. Capitalism solves all problems, right?
I don’t see much pure #nochanges going on. I imagine that if someone is like that they’d still be against additional changes even with the changes made so far. That still seems like a consistent position.
I don’t even care if they put dual spec in. I just think it’s goofy to argue that something like the seal changes automatically validates their argument for dual spec/merc mode/whatever.
The argument for dual spec based on tank availability is also pretty dishonest too most of the time. It comes off as “what, you don’t want dual spec? Well, I guess you hate people getting tanks then. Why do you hate fun?” It reminds of those charities/politicians/a-holes who want something out of you and cloak it in “do it for the children” type arguments.
Then there’s the dudes who string together a bunch of terms they read on the logical fallacies wiki article one day and just end up sounding ridiculous.
I don’t have any problem with a dude who wants dual spec to save some money because he likes to arena. I can understand wanting to save some gold.
Just don’t tell me it’s for the good of the game lol
Yeah the only reaction I have is “great now I have to go mindlessly farm gold for an hour”
I don’t think it’s "good " for the game or “bad” I think it’s just, there. It certainly helps add to the tank/healer pool for dungeons / heroics and helps individuals who can’t farm gold on said class or don’t have time for it in order to swap spec for pvp/dungeons then back to raid spec. I don’t really see any cons to adding it. Feel free to enlighten me if there are though I’m not ignorant I do want to see both sides.
I got nothing to enlighten you with. I don’t care if they put it in the game, and I’m not in charge of keeping the game healthy or whatever lol
I’m just a bored WoW player who likes to argue with people on the internet.
Respect it.
Overall dual spec just gets rid time wasted on busy work, giving them more time to spend on the parts of the game they enjoy. It’s an IRL time saving mechanism.