Thats exactly the problem on a guild scale. I can just have our players play multiple specs. I don’t meet anyone new, I don’t bring anyone new into the guild, I don’t make any new friendships. I just play with the same people I’ve always played with because we can just do whatever we want.
Just as an example, we recruited 2 new healers this week, these are new people I get to play with, new friendships that could be formed or new people I grow to hate because they won’t move out of the fire.
If the ele shaman & shadowpriest I have played with for 10 years coulda just gone resto/holy I would have never needed to recruit new players.
Could we afford to pay 50g everytime one of our people needed to respec, of course, but you know what was easier than that? Just recruiting a new player to fill what we needed.
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That makes zero sense.
If you needed 2 healers and your Ele and SPriest went heals you’d still need to find a new Ele and Shadow Priest.
How does having dual spec or not effect that at all?
Or our dps roster (like most guilds) is larger than our healer / tank roster.
Most sweaty guilds have benches.
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Its summer time kids, You’re done with school, Go outside and dont come back till the street lights come on.
Dual: adjective
consisting of two parts, elements, or aspects.
Many: adjective
a large number of.
“Many specs” and “Dual spec” are mutually exclusive.
Wait until after your discrete mathematics course to talk about set theory and inheritance. That way you don’t look bad in front of people who know what they are talking about.
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retail having “many specs” as opposed to “dual spec” just means you should go play retail even more. we all know you’ll be asking for tri spec eventually anyway.
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I’m aware. How does Dual spec effect that again? You only have 25 slots per Boss kill. It seems like letting your buds of 10 years actually get in for the kill instead of riding the pine is preferable to maybe meeting someone new?
If you need a Heal and one of the DPS would prefer to play then be benched they can respec and eat the 50G. All Dual spec would do is save them a trip to the trainer
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Synonyms: Adjective
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- [double]
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Yeah bud still waiting to see how you justify dual meaning two doesn’t exist in the set {1:50} 2 is inherited in that set. So far you have an F and a see me after class note.
How are you not getting this, its actually mindblowing.
Our two 25 man rosters are completely filled, we have a tank and healer for every single slot in that roster.
That means we have 4 tanks & we have 10 healers, ok you following along with the math here? We have 36 DPS. That means we have enough dps to fill almost 4 khara groups but only enough tanks to fill 2 khara groups & healers to fill 5 khara groups… How do you solve this math issue friend.
A.) recruit more tanks
B.) force dps/hpals/druids to go tank every week for khara.
There are alternatives to the Wrath dual spec implementation and I’m sure a compromise can be reached with people who are afraid that dual spec will ruin TBC.
I like the pvp spec idea, doesn’t bother me at all, a spec that activates when you enter a battleground or arena but still follows all the same rules that your primary spec does. If there was any middleground this would be it.
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First of all this poll is not representative of the population at large, many people do not come to the forums, I did not even know it existed and did not vote on any of them.
Second of all, this is a topic that is Biased between old players that reactivated their account to play classic and newer players that came to experience classic from retail.
And as a result you may have vastly different opinions here.
Now,
Did you know that in TBC the Spec fees decay? They can only rise to 50g maximum, and every month they decay a certain amount to a minimum of 10g.
What could be a better solution here, is sto simply change the rate of decay, and the maximums. Leave it at 10g min max, or change the rate of decay to a weekly basis instead of a monthly one.
That could be farm easier of a change and without bringing in more modern systems from subsequent expansions in to TBC and alienating the CLassic experience.
Tweaking systems retains the same overall experience, importing non Classic systems does not.
Any proof of this or you just think that it won’t make the gold issue worse? 50g for respec is a really big gold sink…
How about us healers and tanks that have a crap open world experience charge 100g to get into groups? You think poking a mob to death with a noodle makes us want to be tank and resto spec? Yea I can get into a group because I’m a healer but anytime I dont have a group it cost me 100g to enjoy the open world half of the game.
I get it. I played hardcore for years and understand roster mechanics.
What I don’t get is how you’re trying to connect this to Dual spec somehow. One player being able to fill 2 roles with a Click instead of going to the Trainer doesn’t allow them to be 2 places at once.
If you recruit more Tanks it goes back to an issue you brought up in another thread. Those Tanks are great to have for multiple Kara runs but will be benched for one of the 25 man runs.
Which is why I said my preference is to have a couple of the DPS spec Tank for the Kara groups.
This is your quote from the thread in question…
So you’re OK with recruiting someone to help out for multiple Kara runs but who’ll never Tank one of your 25 mans but you wouldn’t do it yourself?
As opposed to just having one of the extra DPS do it??
It is easier to recruit a new player than it is to spend 50g everytime we need a player to fill a new roll. We still pay for respecs constantly but it is also easier to just recruit someone new.
We would not need to recruit anyone new if dual spec was in the game, we could easily fill everysingle raid with the players we have with dual spec. I’ve already done the math on this.
Yes those tanks are benched for 25 man runs and they claim to be ok with it. I suspect however that they will just get fully geared from khara and then move on to a new guild which I’m ok with because I still got to meet them and play with them for 4-5 weeks and may play again with them in the future.
There is also a previous post of mine where I discuss this tank dilema we have about recruiting new tanks. I wouldn’t join a raid if I couldnt have a roster spot, but some people will.
Keeping in the spirit of classic means making more opportunities for people to play with new people and not less. Dualspec kills this @ least in our guild. Also of course we can be in two place at once, everyone has a level 20 lock alt.
i want duel specs, but i hate terrible data
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How about you group up with another player to do open world content?
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No, we don’t. We didn’t ask for can we have a do over, but with these things. Don’t play it if you don’t like it.
Couple is used when referring to two things, as in “a couple of days ago,” whereas few and several are less specific. Few means “not many but some,” as in “The train leaves in a few minutes,” and several denotes more than the words couple and few do but implies lesser than the word many does.
Couple < Few < Several < Many…
Grow up…