You might want to take your own advise on this then, lol. Because this is tbc classic, not w/e abomination of a game your trying to turn it into. Don’t fix what isn’t broken.
Dual Spec is not in retail. Dual Spec is not a retail feature.
There have been a lot of threads to request dual-spec. You will find me consistently posting anti-sentiment towards the addition of dual spec, and frankly whenever wrath comes out, I believe we should be going the opposite direction and making respeccing more punitive than it is. This is the second clearest case of “you think you do, but you don’t” that I have seen, the #1 being LFD/LFR.
Will dual-spec ruin the game, no. Will I keep playing if its added? Yes. Should it be added in tbc? Also no.
The guiding philosophy of #nochanges was always flawed because it was always a matter of when and not if. When along the timeline of the trilogy would you start making changes? For some it was in classic, for some its tbc, and for some it’s wrath, but it’s clear to me people fundamentally disagree with what changes are acceptable from a game-design philosophy standpoint. Many people on these forums seem to want retail LITE edition which is not the same community that got us the classic version of the game in the first place.
I will dissect every argument in favor of dualspec and explain exactly why its in the category (“you think you do, but you don’t”).
- I can’t find a tank to play with for xyz and enjoy xyz content that I paid for, dual spec will increase the # of available tanks.
I’m not convinced dual-spec will increase the number of tanks or the quality of tanks. We can just look at retail and ask the question. Is their a tank shortage in retail? Yes.
Good tanks already don’t generally tank a-lot of pug groups because it’s not a good game-play experience. It also creates a demand for people to need on gear they wouldn’t otherwise need. Such as a dps “ninja’ing a tank trinket because OS or vice-versa. Right now when I do pug I can be reasonably sure my fury warrior isn’t going to need on the shield, it still happens but this will become more prevalent.
First and foremost, no one is under any obligation to conform to your expectations and enable your in game fantasy. You are not entitled to have a tank in your dungeon group. You are not entitled to someone else’s time/effort/energy/money. You have to take the initiative and find someone who will willingly exchange that with you.
Not being able to find a tank is a problem with you, not a problem with the game.
Secondly Scarcity creates value, scarcity can also create urgency, and scarcity can change behavior. One of the primary reason people in the classic community drifted away from the retail game is that they felt as though the social aspect of the game had slowly drifted away. Death by a thousand cuts. This is exactly one of those scenarios in my opinion. If you can’t find a tank for your dungeon, how does it motivate you? How does it change your in-game behaviour? How do you go about solving this issue?
- Do you join a guild where tanking services are more readily available between like-minded individuals working toward a common goal? Maybe you are in a bad guild where things like that are not readily available, and you need to find a new one.
- Do you take the initiative and re-roll a tank, accepting some level of personal sacrifice to accomplish your in game goals?
- When do you run with a tank to you come with a positive attitude and ask the tank to you add you to their friends list? Message them over the next couple days, weeks, to organize playing together.
- Come to the general forums to complain your ambitions are not being catered to.
How does adding dual spec create a greater demand for people to play together? How does removing friction motivate people?
- (xyz) sh**-tuber said it’s a good idea, (xyz) poll shows (xyz) number of people want this change
Argumentum ad populum is the logical fallacy that because a certain opinion or attitude is held by a majority it is therefore correct. Sadly, the majority of people don’t devote the time to think critically about the knock-on effects of any change they support and will blindly support initiatives even if it is counter to their own interests. If you want to learn more about how people are consistently duped into voting against their own interests you can read THE SYSTEM Who rigged It, How We fix It By Robert B. Reich
If you don’t believe me, please explain to me how you believe the last two presidential candidates we had in the US were the best leaders amongst us.
- I want to be able to heal/tank for my raid and still enjoy the open world content / pvp/ etc.
This obsession with optimization is part of what ruined classic for many people.
If the game was as challenging as retail I could be sympathetic towards this argument because optimization is mandatory in some scenarios. However in classic, tbc, and wrath the game is incredibly easy and you don’t need to be the correct spec/gear/gem/enchants to do any content in the game from molten-core to Icc. A better solution with less risk is to play the game how you want to play it and ccept that your decisions have consequences. You can find a guild that will take you as a subtlety rogue or a frost mage, they exist and if you want to top meters and pwn noobs in pvp its going to cost you ~100g a week.
You don’t need to be tank specced to tank non heroics
You don’t need to be dps specced to dps
You don’t need to be healer specced to heal
The game is easy, and you are confusing a want with a need. Also, 100g is really not a-lot of gold in the game today, it’s really really not. You can farm that in less than an hour on any class/spec. If one hour of your time a week is to great an imposition for you, then you have a laziness problem and not a gameplay one, and in my opinion you do not deserve to experience the content you enjoy.
- It’ll increase PVP participation, and we believe that is a desirable thing.
You got me on this one, I don’t really have a good argument against this, I would only say taking on the risk of the other 3 subjects is not worth the trade-off. I think there are better solutions we can find to this problem that don’t affect the other areas of the game such as having a spec that activates when you enter a battleground or arena and is not available to be swapped 2 in the open world or raids/dungeons.
In conclusion, It doesn’t solve the problems you hope it does, it creates more problems than you are anticipating, I don’t care what the majority thinks and neither should you and it does have some pvp rammifcations but the ends don’t justify the means.
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It does solve the problem we hope it does.
Nethaera: Why are we allowing players to dual spec after all this time?
Ghostcrawler : We really felt like this was a great way to increase the flexibility available to players and encourage them to take part in more aspects of the game. To use just one example, some players like to participate in both raids and Arenas, which is awesome behavior that we want to promote. But, there are some talents which are more useful in one part of the game than another. Currently, players have to pay respec costs and go through the process of setting up the desired talent spec and action bars whenever they switch.
Solves the problem of exclusively screwing over the PvPers where something like this isn’t a simple “nice to have”.
In wrath, you can wait bud
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Nah, problem exists now. Think I’ll fight for positive change. Regardless of how many PvE’ers want to screw over the Arena community.
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Head on down to retail, plenty of dual spec in there for you.
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Dual Spec doesn’t exist in Retail.
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You not utilizing a feature is not another persons problem. It’s yours.
I suppose you’re correct. What is available in retail is talents that can be changed at will. The better version of dual spec.
Why waste time with dual spec in TBC when we could just have talents that can be changed whenever the need arises. The game would be much better. No need to waste time looking for a certain class/spec for content.
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I bet if you made a poll asking if all players wanted free epic flying mounts too you’d see most vote for it. That doesn’t make it right.
First example I can come up with is that you’d have SL/SL warlocks running around everywhere in open world dunking on people to control resources.
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They were developing Dual Spec long before WoTLK released. They knew the issues present in TBC and we now have the benefit of foresight. Dual Spec should be made available in TBC Classic.
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How do you solve the issue of SL/SL locks dominating open world between raids then?
How do you solve it now?
The fact that most warlocks aren’t SL SL because there is no dual spec. They’re pve spec for dungeon farming/raiding. Source: Playing a max level warlock and keeping tabs on other locks.
Why do you assume most Warlocks would go SL/SL and spend their time ganking in the world if there was Dual Spec? Creating imaginary issues isn’t an argument.
Imaginary issues? Is that really your best argument? Stop living in denial this is exactly what would happen. Anyone that doesn’t have an alternate hybrid spec that fills another raiding roll would use it for pvp specs.
lol are these people seriously saying dual spec is not in retail when you can just spend and remove talent points at will there? 
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Strawman Fallacy
Feel free to make it a vote. Free epic flying doesn’t solve an important problem that exists, like Dual Spec does.
I’ve been discussing this issue with you this whole time and you don’t even know what dual spec is?
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