The tank problem

[Vlonq-malganis]

@Fauxstrasza-stormrage

If you’re including silences as part of valuable contributions (just assuming you are right on how silence from avenger’s shield works), you might as well include stops.

Your contributions while present and recorded, does not demonstrate that it is truly needed.

If you had NOT done it, would people have died or used up resources that are needed elsewhere?

While, you’re complaining about a log where other people have participated, and you’re complaining about your theoretical potential to carry.

oooooooooooooo-K.

so stopping something that will instantly recast is not quite useful unless the cast time is very long, which webmage bolt aren’t.

keeping one of those webmage perma silenced meaning they don’t even get a chance to start casting the bolt is very useful.

So, now that we have clearly established where you are, you’ll have to understand that helping bronze league people rarely, if ever, lead to anything useful despite all the effort someone put into it because they usually simply do not want to leave their bronze league hole

… so, please demonstrate there’s a chance something useful will come out of me explaining to you how the game work? Cause really that grizzly dude drained all the patience and good-will I had.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

@Vlonq-malganis

so stopping something that will instantly recast is not quite useful unless the cast time is very long, which webmage bolt aren’t.

You realize that stuns last 5 seconds or more sometimes? It’s rather close to a silence and quite significant.

Your ability to silence even if used, does not demonstrate that the group actually needed it.

@Vlonq-malganis

So, now that we have clearly established where you are, you’ll have to understand that helping bronze league people rarely, if ever, lead to anything useful despite all the effort someone put into it because they usually simply do not want to leave their bronze league hole

You have no idea what you’re talking about and ready to insult others on the net.

[Vlonq-malganis]

@Fauxstrasza-stormrage

You realize that stuns last 5 seconds or more sometimes?

with DR. diminishing return.

there’s also a sentry in those pack that will spawn a broodguard if left alone… this where you HOJ and co. come in.

It’s rather close to a silence and quite significant.

no, it’s not.

Your ability to silence even if used,

even if used? you do know what divine toll is? you do know what avenger shield is?

does not demonstrate that the group actually needed it.

2 webmage. the paladin handle one, the other 4 handle the second. You would know that if you actually played the game. but you don’t.

You have no idea what you’re talking about and ready to insult others on the net.

oh well, you seem comfortable in the hole you dug. This is why general chat and r/wow are complete wastes of time.

See you around when you buy a carry.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

@Vlonq-malganis

2 webmage. the paladin handle one, the other 4 handle the second. You would know that if you actually played the game. but you don’t.

You’re trying to prove that your contributions to interrupts are valuable because if you weren’t there, allegedly, people would’ve died or something.

We do not know if people would have died.

We DO know that other people hit interrupts ( that you might’ve caught.) And you hit interrupts that they might’ve caught.

We also know stops are used, including your “silence” (assuming it works that way.) Which is unrecorded. In the interrupts table.

We also do know that these web bolts went off, and no one died.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pPJvzThcwM7DBYHj?fight=1&type=damage-taken&ability=434786

How useful is your contribution that is not shown on the logs, is not known. How useful are your interrupts are also not known.

Because you’re complaining that DPS are sniping your interrupts (your 43% miss remark) thus assuming that stuff would’ve gone along fine if they did less.

You might have potential to carry, but you have not shown that you have indeed carried.

[Vlonq-malganis]

@Fauxstrasza-stormrage

ou’re trying to prove that your contributions to interrupts are valuable because if you weren’t there, allegedly, people would’ve died or something.

Are we going to go over why Ppal is good? Cause quite honestly it took 3 reply to explain how casting spell work, so this seem like too much work for 0 reward on my end.

We do not know if people would have died.

true, they don’t one shot… they do 2-shot however, and there’s 2 caster. and possibly a broodguard in it too.

And you hit interrupts that they might’ve caught.

I’m pretty sure I’ve said it but… Ppal on one target, rest of the group on the other?

Like, explaining how spell work in 3 reply is already cumbersome enough, having to repeat it is just ridiculous tho.

ncluding your “silence” (assuming it works that way.)

… assuming?

ok, so I did a mistake here by jumping right to how spell work. first I should’ve went over what abilities actually do.

so here’s a description of avenger shield, let me know if there’s any sentences you don’t understand.

Hurls your shield at an enemy target, dealing (75.3523% of Attack power) Holy damage, interrupting and silencing the non-Player target for 3 sec, and then jumping to 2 additional nearby enemies.

How useful is your contribution that is not shown on the logs

well i never pretended that you know how to use log either.

Because you’re complaining that DPS are sniping your interrupt

no, that’s something you completely made up.

Please avoid doing that since explaining very basic game mechanic already appear to be a bothersome endeavor?

ou might have potential to carry, but you have not shown that you have indeed carried.

boy do I love getting those comment from people who struggle to do 10s.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

Ppal is good, but there are plenty of keys without Ppal, higher than 15.

It is not a necessity.

Ppal also logs excess interrupts because avengers shield.

Theoretical potential to perform is also not actual performance.

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Fauxstrasza-stormrage

Because you’re complaining that DPS are sniping your interrupts (your 43% miss remark) thus assuming that stuff would’ve gone along fine if they did less.

Hes not complaining about DPS sniping his interupts.

He tried to use the 43% miss remark to reinforce the idea that dps dont have to contribute interrupts or stops or anything resembling responsibilities and still succeed…while being a Pally and almost out interrupted by said DPS.

Not too smart that one

[Vlonq-malganis]

@Fauxstrasza-stormrage

Ppal is good, but there are plenty of keys without Ppal, higher than 15.

and this is relevant why?

It is not a necessity.

and I should care about this, why?

Ppal also logs excess interrupts because avengers shield.

so spell you have interrupt with avenger shield are in excess because… ?

Theoretical potential to perform is also not actual performance.

ok so which one of us did 15s? back in november when I did more than raid logging?

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

Wouldn’t the miss table include stops (interrupts) by dps in form of CC?

And paladin has HOJ… what else? Not much.

So if the value of miss table was investigated, wouldn’t that make DPS more useful? (because their contributions are counted more.)

[Vlonq-malganis]

@Grizzle-eredar

@Fauxstrasza-stormrage

Because you’re complaining that DPS are sniping your interrupts (your 43% miss remark) thus assuming that stuff would’ve gone along fine if they did less.

Hes not complaining about DPS sniping his interupts.

He tried to use the 43% miss remark to reinforce the idea that dps dont have to contribute interrupts or stops or anything resembling responsibilities and still succeed…while being a Pally and almost out interrupted by said DPS.

Not too smart that one

almost got outkicked if you ignore avenger shield which is the one thing that separate Ppal from everyonelse.

Welcome back grizzle, did you understand the part about silences yet?

[Vlonq-malganis]

@Fauxstrasza-stormrage

Wouldn’t the miss table include stops (interrupts) by dps in form of CC?

And paladin has HOJ… what else? Not much.

So if the value of miss table was investigated, wouldn’t that make DPS more useful? (because their contributions are counted more.)

I’ll pretend you are trying to make a point here, albeit an awful one.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

I see a miss table.

I do not see that you caused everything to miss.

Why would something of that nature solely exist because of your performance?

[Vlonq-malganis]

you see a miss table…

ok, what do you think a miss table is?

why do you think the Ppal is causing stuff to miss?

why would you think that causing something to miss is someonelse performance?

help me decipher the mysteries of the bronze league here.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

Oh, I remember what a miss table should be now.

@Grizzle-eredar

He tried to use the 43% miss remark to reinforce the idea that dps dont have to contribute interrupts or stops or anything resembling responsibilities and still succeed…while being a Pally and almost out interrupted by said DPS.

The miss table should be overlaps. So no, it’s not that dps don’t have to interrupt because it exists. But rather whoever did interrupt, did not need to, because someone else would’ve gotten it.

It makes you less useful, not more.

[Vlonq-malganis]

@Fauxstrasza-stormrage

The miss table should be overlaps.

right…

there’s 4 people on one webmage and they overlap kick. the Ppal is on the other webmage, alone. the Ppal is not interfering with the other 4 kick target.

you can also see how many spell went through uninterrupted because even in +15 ( at ilvl 631 or w/e we were back in early november) interrupt, the " oh so important DPS mechanic"… is actually not that lethal at all. and that when we’re talking about web bolt, the AE poison they do / guy before last boss do are even less lethal.

now just imagine or trivial interrupting in a +10 is.

because someone else would’ve gotten it.

you do understand there’s 2 different target here? Like, open your MDT and look at the area between 1st and 2nd boss, left path, and see how many webmage exist in a pack.

It makes you less useful, not more.

right. Ppal chain silencing is less useful. this is why Ppal are so unpopular right now. This is perfectly logical from a bronze league mind!

this is now the… 5th? post we have about interrupt, and you still seem to struggle with the concept?

please, for the love of god, show me there’s a shred of hope in you and I’m not totally wasting time explaining basic stuff to a hardstuck bronze league hero.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

@Vlonq-malganis

you can also see how many spell went through uninterrupted because even in +15 ( at ilvl 631 or w/e we were back in early november) interrupt, the " oh so important DPS mechanic"… is actually not that lethal at all. and that when we’re talking about web bolt, the AE poison they do / guy before last boss do are even less lethal.

So, you’re really not making a great case for yourself.

Web bolt actually do not hurt that much (as claimed by you.) Therefore, it’s rather pointless to look at an interrupt table because it doesn’t kill people.

And Ppal is actually not that necessary.

@Vlonq-malganis

right. Ppal chain silencing is less useful. this is why Ppal are so unpopular right now. This is perfectly logical from a bronze league mind!

Theoretical potential is not actual performance.

Ppal is good, but they are not necessary (as demonstrated by runs without Ppal.)

I will reiterate: Theoretical potential to carry doesn’t equate to actual performance.

DPS “could” theoretically do nothing, but you have to actually have a run where they DO nothing, and you succeed.

[Vlonq-malganis]

@Fauxstrasza-stormrage

So, you’re really not making a great case for yourself.

yeah I mean it took 5 post to explain interrupt to you so I don’t expect much here.

Web bolt actually do not hurt that much (as claimed by you.) Therefore, it’s rather pointless to look at an interrupt table because it doesn’t kill people.

yeah. even less job for the DPS. you do remember the beginning of the exchange right?

And Ppal is actually not that necessary.

do I really have to point out the 90%+ ppal in high keys or start lising more of their stuff? cause honestly you seem confused enough by just interrupt, so going over the entire toolkit, how it synergize with the rest of the meta, and dungeons mob abilities… that’s just too much dude. I don’t have 40 hours to explain it to you.

Theoretical potential is not actual performance.

who amongst us did 15s and who is stuck at 10s?

DPS “could” theoretically do nothing, but you have to actually have a run where they DO nothing, and you succeed.

all effin carries, that boosting communities sell all day long making billions out of it.

or heck, even better, the fact that in the 200-ish long post thread the only thing DPS are apparently capable of thinking of is DPS and interrupt, because their entire role doesn’t require anything else of them and they don’t need to do either of those right to time keys, as demonstrated by the very own log of my key done 3 months ago with pre-nerfed dungeons, 8 less Ilvl and no circe circlet, 2 non-meta classes.

this is now the 6th post where you have failed to demonstrate there’s any shred of hope in you. I’ll go have fun on marvel rivals.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

@Vlonq-malganis

who amongst us did 15s and who is stuck at 10s?

I’m not stuck at 10s. I have posted time and time again about how I find 12s conceptually boring.

@Vlonq-malganis

all effin carries, that boosting communities sell all day long making billions out of it.

Within that run, even if someone paid gold to attend, they were not carried.

@Vlonq-malganis

or heck, even better, the fact that in the 200-ish long post thread the only thing DPS are apparently capable of thinking of is DPS and interrupt, because their entire role doesn’t require anything else of them and they don’t need to do either of those right to time keys.

No, if you don’t pop defensives, you die.

[Vlonq-malganis]

@Fauxstrasza-stormrage

I’m not stuck at 10s. I have posted time and time again about how I find 12s conceptually boring.

while hiding on an alt.

Within that run, even if someone paid gold to attend, they were not carried.

yeah sure. boosting communities make billion because people paying for them can do them the “legit” way.

No, if you don’t pop defensives, you die.

aah yes. the defensive. the 2 button per 3 minute ( because that’s all you have, really. maybe add the earth elemental with it’s half-an-eternity CD for pityful gains) you have to press but since you guys don’t track healer CD and don’t coordinate with the healer you’re wasting most of them because stuff like alerting shrill is 99% on the healer, 1% on the DPS to… I don’t know what. make it 100% healer really.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

@Vlonq-malganis

while hiding on an alt.

I post on an alt because I can swap mains, and I can server transfer. Forum history doesn’t transfer over.

I find it more convenient to just post on one character.

@Vlonq-malganis

I don’t know what. make it 100% healer really.

Hopefully, this includes tank survivability. Active mit is too hard for forums.

Then again, forum healers just want to push flashy buttons that do nothing.