The tank problem

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If i was wrong, you wouldn’t have to keep adding stipulations to “prove you’re right”.

See above

Let’s see how the tank:

You barely out interrupt the next dps, much less the rest of the group combined. Why is the Druid needing to use Bear form to survive? He doesn’t have that responsibility. He’s just a dps. I mean, 15s aren’t bleeding edge yet we have the Druid helping with dispels, aoe interrupts, Bear form to survive incoming damage, quasi-interrupting with typhoon…I mean, why is all of this happening in a 15 when:

Yeah you’re not selling the keys you’re struggling with lol not when you’re doing half the damage/interrupts/healing that you should be doing if you were to actually be carrying lol. Maybe 10s lol

No no, you made the claim, now back it up.
4 man a 15, in time, without any DPS using any interrupts. Should be easy for you right?

Never said it didn’t do anything useful. I just claimed I don’t need to open it before every dungeon and review every mob pull by pull to see what they do because I’m so reliant on an addon that i’m unable to learn and adapt without it.

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yeah, my very first statement was right. but thenyou kept flapping your mouth.

You barely out interrupt the next dps, much less the rest of the group combined.

and 43% of cast where missed. what does that tell you?

and oh wait, who is locking down the webmages?

but you don’t know why webmages are more important than the poison guys at the end, do you?

oh, where are the avenger shield keeping one mob perma-silenced in those logs? you don’t know that either? what a bummer. if only we could, you know, figure out how many spell were not cast because of the hundreds avenger shield cast…

Why is the Druid needing to use Bear form to survive?

good question. look at his ilvl, look at when the run was done. anything weird here?

I mean, why is all of this happening in a 15 when:

so you jsut linked a log where the druid total at 1.6 mil DPS, and you think DPS have a hard time in 15s?

Yeah you’re not selling the keys you’re struggling with

the collective. legendary rank. try again.

No no, you made the claim, now back it up.

you just linked one of my own log.

and BTW, on that log you linked eveyrone is doing god awful damage… yet we still timed a 15. Because the DPS requirement in M+ is extremely low, it’s so laughably easy you can time 15s with everybody going livelord

but if the tank die to one of the tank buster that come in every 15-20s sec? it’s over. If the healer doesn’t have juice every alerting shrill / every DOT on the 2nd boss? it’s over. No freedoms for the workers at the end? it’s over. DPS are allowed to slack off and do 1000 mistake per key, in a 15, and still time the key. You get it now? probably not…

Never said it didn’t do anything useful. I just claimed I don’t need

you don’t need to open it because you don’t know what it do and how to use it.

because you don’t know anything.

like… you linked my own logs thinking you had something on me, but you don’t know what you are looking at?

by pull to see what they do because I’m so reliant on an addon that i’m unable to learn and adapt without it.

case in point.

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Oh this is embarrassing

Go look at the logs again. Lets see if you can find out where youre showing your ignorance lol

Its not. Its rhetorical lol

No i linked a log, like you asked me to, disproving all your claims in a single log.

Okay. I’ll say it slower for you. Youre not selling 14s and 15s when you cant complete 15s lol

Correct, and not one of your claims was proven true with it. Sad really

I dont need to open because i know the route im taking, the pulls that are being made, and what the mobs in those pulls do and what needs interrupted and when to use a defensive. I dont need to an app to tell me every time before a run starts.

Coming from the guy who thinks AS isnt counted in the interrupt list and that he actually interrupted more mobs than its letting on lol.

  1. claims dps have no responsibilities: reality is dps are interrupting, offhealing, and using defensives to stay live while being the thing that moves the dungeon along

  2. claims he does 50+ % of the groups interrupts and only does 30% while claiming the log doesn’t track AS as an interrupt lol

  3. has to use an addon to know which mobs need an interrupt/defensive for lol

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yes you are.

Go look at the logs again. Lets see if you can find out where youre showing your ignorance lol

Ill give you a hint. when you keep a mob perma-silenced for 20+ second because of avenger shield / divine toll, it doesn’t show on logs. because he’s perma silenced. but you got the equivalent of 4-5 kicks out of it and it happens every minute.

No i linked a log, like you asked me to, disproving all your claims in a single log.

you think you disproved anything?

You showed a log where everyone doing crap damage in a 15 yet we still timed it. You don’t even need to do good damage as a DPS to time a key.

Okay. I’ll say it slower for you. Youre not selling 14s and 15s when you cant complete 15s lol

I’ll say it even slower for you. I’m in a boosting community actively selling carries.

Correct, and not one of your claims was proven true with it. Sad really

I did foresee that you are unable to read logs.

I dont need to open because i know the route im taking

you are a DPS. you don’t know what route is taken.

the pulls that are being made,

you are a DPS, you don’t pull.

and what the mobs in those pulls do and what needs interrupted

you are a DPS. you don’t pull. the one of the many many many thing that’s a tank job.

when to use a defensive

you are doing 9s. you don’t need to defensive on anything.

I dont need to an app to tell me every time before a run starts.

sure. you don’t… but somehow all the biggest key pusher do? This is sooo mysterious.

Coming from the guy who thinks AS isnt counted in the interrupt list and that he actually interrupted more mobs than its letting on lol

I mean, when silenced mob don’t cast spell then you cannot get an interrupt counter. but go ahead embarass yourself even more.

You do notice that all the people in your echo chamber are all scrub struggling to do 10s, right? You don’t think there’s a problem with that?

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It does. Casting AS on top of the silence doesn’t extend it lol therefor locking a mob down for 20 seconds does indeed count each individual interrupt.

Yes. Every single one of your claims. Good dps was never an argument. It was never a point in which you were trying to stand upon. Moving goal posts again lol

Not in the 14s and 15s range, as you claimed, you’re not.

Ignorance really must be bliss.

You’re telling me that if title players went to go run a 10 for a friend for vault that they need to take 5 minutes before the run and open up MDT, look at each individual mob inside each pull to see what mob does what?

Yeesh.
:negative_squared_cross_mark: to doubt

Echo chamber? Trying to use buzzwords that you don’t understand? lol I didn’t create a topic, ignore anyone that disagrees with me, only interact with the people who share the same view. I’m having a 1 on 1 with you to try to educate you on your shortcomings lol.

“echo chamber”. When the goal posts can’t move any further, look for the strawman I guess.

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So 1% of the 10% of players who are tanks (estimation) are primadonnas that should get out of your game. That’s a huge problem that needs to be addressed with changes to the game?

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here I am wondering why am I wasting type explaining the concept of a silence to someone who clearly have no desire to improve.

You’re telling me that if title players went to go run a 10 for a friend for vault that they need to take 5 minutes before the run and open up MDT, look at each individual mob inside each pull to see what mob does what?

are you a title pusher?

no, you struggle with 9 and 10s. yet you don’t use any of the help available to you. because you don’t know what they do, because you don’t know anything about the game.

Now, the only question is : how long have you been stuck in the bronze league and how long will you stay there, of your own volition?

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He is just a troll I spent some time trying to explain how some of the warrior talents work after he admitted that he did not know how the warrior class works. So, he then went on arguing saying you have more IP next after the 50% rage nerf. I tried to explain it, but he is either being dense or trolling, with him having almost 20k posts on forum should answer that. Revert the Prot Warrior nerfs next patch - #34 by Grizzle-eredar

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Would you like me to explain how silences work and how they are in fact recorded in logs?

I dont see you sitting in title range? Im not the one claiming the top .1% dont know what mobs do and need to open MDT before every dungeon to refresh their memories

do you understand how logs record interrupts? Lol what a joke.

Hero talent =/= class. I know christmas has come and gone, but id be more than happy to send you a dictionary and a tudor so you can understand the basics of how 30% bigger IPs mean 30% rage required for the same amount of shielding.

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aah jesus.

this is what a get for trying to help a perpetual bronze league guy.

it does make sense… you can’t be stuck in bronze forever unless you actually want to be there.

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Tell us again how you’re selling all these 15 runs with your 3 15 dungeons completed sir. We like that story

Oh oh! Or the one how WCL doesnt count AS or DT as interrupts lol

Talk about being bronze league. Are you just a fan boy of the league or the towel boy? Next time try to make reasonable claims that can actually be done eh?

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Oh the majority definitely prefers dps. That’s why when people complain about how long it takes for dps to find groups and suggest ways of getting more people to play the tank role I disagree with their suggestions.

I want people to be playing their preferred role. So how do you shorten dps wait times without getting more tanks?

You increase dungeon group size to get more dps per tank.

It’s a good thing when players get to play their preferred roles.

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Nah, it doesn’t. Just that it exists.

Tanks who complain about other people, tend to be either bad or overly controlling.

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Not going to dig into if this is true or false, but if this is the metric you’re going for, it’s very likely that your contributions really aren’t that important.

CC overlaps happen. People holding CC because someone else used it, also happens. Counter productive use of interrupts via overlaps happens too.

So beyond what the logs record, how effective someone is, is really up for debate. And just because someone “can” do most, and other people let them, so what? It doesn’t make that person special.

Was there ever a need? Doubt.

TLDR: You can do nothing, and let other people carry you, just like everyone else.

You don’t get to play, I could’ve carried if my team did nothing.

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at this point repeating myself feel like a waste.

I guess I’ll see you around when you buy some carries.

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Agreed. All of your claims have already been disproven with your own logs

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so you do realize this is talking about webmage in ara-kara?

do I need to go in details or can I chalk you off as a bronze league waste of time too? want to post on an actual lvl 80 char?

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If you’re including silences as part of valuable contributions (just assuming you are right on how silence from avenger’s shield works), you might as well include stops.

Your contributions while present and recorded, does not demonstrate that it is truly needed.

If you had NOT done it, would people have died or used up resources that are needed elsewhere?

While, you’re complaining about a log where other people have participated, and you’re complaining about your theoretical potential to carry.

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You’re arguing against two people with 14,000 and 20,000 posts with less than 10 total of them aren’t outright trolling. It took precisely one interaction for me to ignore them.

They’re not here for meaningful discussion.

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People know how to read logs.

Vlonq, does not. And it’s demonstrated lack of ability.