And they have multiple brackets to show those skills by turning XP on, putting on Heirlooms, and going into BGs.
Nothing is stopping you.
Okay, then what is a twink? Twinks are below level cap player characters who have gained the best and most powerful gear for their level with enhancements such as expensive weapon enchants and BoE/BoP greens, blues or epics. Of course itâs all about the gear, lol.
I will concede that they most likely do play that character at that level much more than a traditional leveling character. But truthfully, how many spells and abilities are even available to a low level? Skill and knowledge of a class when there are only a few of the actual class abilities that are even useable? Iâm sure they do know how to get the most out of whatever abilities they are using, but itâs not like itâs rocket science. Youâre implying that they are a guru of that class or something. I would argue that itâs more like superior pvp skills over any actual class mastery.
I have no opinion on twinks, by the way. I only play max level bgâs.
So um, right.
I think itâs pretty simple, right? Say, Iâm average Joe Noobcraft, right? Leveling my first character, definitely not aware of everything thatâs going on in the game, at all, but I think battlegrounds are fun. Say I keep coming across a few certain players that kill me, mercilessly, with no chance of fighting back, instantly dead. Bam, thud.
I see twinks adding nothing positive, at all, to Joe Noobcraftâs experience. Just frustration, anger and confusion. Not good. See, thereâs a difference between Joe Noobcraft losing in a fight, and Joe losing before heâs aware there is a fight. The only thing being gained here, is the enjoyment of a player who has been playing for a long time and is now getting enjoyment out of frustrating, angering and confusing players like Joe Noobcraft. Thatâs bad for pvp because itâs more likely to turn Joe off to PvP, even possibly turn him off to the game. Nevermind that itâs completely unfair.
Like, lightyears of eternity away from the farthest thing that could possibly resemble the very notion of fair in another galaxy at the other side of the universe - fair. Thereâs absolutely no way Joe Noobcraft can win. Which is why you guys like it. Deny if you must, but letâs be real here.
Sorry, but for this reason alone Iâm cool separating twinks from everyone else. You can say âWay to force out more players when BFA canât afford toâ to which Iâd respond âYea, but you were twinking and not doing content I was doing, so its no loss for me. Itâs actually great in case I decide to level another toon.â And Blizz has made tons of decisions that cost them subs, so itâs not a big deal to them either apparently.
Iâm in favor of separating twinks from everyone else. Sorry.
Lmao, as if there isnât knowledge in the twinking community as to what classes have the best burst/survivability possible, without gear, at the bracket you choose to twink at?
Mastering a class?! How are you âmasteringâ that class if you never go any higher than level 29!? or 19?! You arenât mastering anything, youâre purposefully min/maxing against players that donât because theyâre still learning. Nevermind the completely absurd fact that you expect a new playerâs reasoning to go something like:
âWow, I should learn my class better so I donât get one shot by this rogue every single time without a chance to even click one defensive skill or even use my trinket because that rogue doesnât need to stun me, just backstab me once and move on every single time. I should improve my skills so I donât lose to simple unavoidable math every time.â
What?! Youâre shifting the blame onto player skill when there isnât even a chance for any amount of skill to be applied to avoid losing!?
Like, cmon. Youâre gonna do and enjoy what you want when you can, ok, but donât sit here and feed me BS.
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Ok, but what if theyâre trying to learn it? What if theyâre trying to practice what theyâve read? Getting constantly one shot does nothing to let them attempt to apply what theyâve read. It doesnât let them experiment with different abilities/tactics while fighting different classes.
Players can appreciate a âgood fightâ where it was close but they lost. They can appreciate close victories of almost dying but pulling off a kill on the enemy before the enemy killed them. Against a twink!? Neither one of those things are possible.
Alrite, letâs actually make this analogy accurate. Twinks would be a player with multi-billion amounts of gold already completely running said AH in every possible category. A new non-twink player would be someone with 50g looking to try and make gold with the AH for the first time. Fixed.
Again, to make your analogy accurate, youâd be using an ak47 while you are bulletproof and the new players aka âoppositionâ would need to be starved to the point of death-weak while holding nerf guns. Your analogy makes it sound like itâs a fair fight, you just utilized a specific tactic at a specific time and thatâs why you won. Itâs not. Itâs because your toon was borderline superhuman compared to the enemy. Otherwise, try it on a non-twink and let me know how that tactic works out for ya.
Wanna know whatâs even more memorable? Getting one shot in a BG and dying time and time and time and time again, with absolutely no recourse. Itâs exactly what turns new players off to PvP when they are leveling and learning about the game. Itâs the exact same thing that made non-twink WoW vets avoid BGs while leveling.
You guys are sitting here and trying to explain to us why you should have a completely unfair, numerical advantage over us AND farm new players who havenât been through the entire leveling system once with no remorse. I can even understand twinking against a WoWvet, sure they would understand whatâs happening. I donât want to experience that, but I understand it.
Thereâs no excuse for wanting to just mercilessly farm new players that are trying to figure out the game, that are now stuck in a BG with you with nowhere to escape for an entire BG. They wonât have fun, they wonât learn anything and if anything theyâd just quit because it isnât even possible for them to have fun.
OK, now I understand.
If someone just enjoys watching totally unbalanced battles where the outcome is preordained and skill isnât really important, that person neither understands, nor cares about PvP. Why do they HAVE to be in a PvP queue? Why is there an idea that someone who canât compete in PvP without an unfair advantage must enjoy it? Canât they just not PvP?
The âI donât want a challenge I must always win or itâs not fairâ crowd already ruined PvE. You should spend your time watching cartoons and bad Rambo movies, or doing Island Expeditions, and let those who enjoy a challenge play PvP.
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You learn it by understanding that you donât have good enough gear. Thatâs how everybody else learns it.
Odd how, despite this, literally everybody who cares about the outcome is looking for a shortcut.
Your example is quite fitting actually. In an AH where everybody has tons of gold and one guy starts out with 50g and canât buy anything and canât be bothered to farm for ten minutes because the prices of literally everything is inflated, which would guarantee a sizable return, said player will probably have a terrible time.
Yea no. Your argument was that taking them down requires some degree of coordination, not that they were invincible. Your hyperbole is meaningless.
â which is not a situation unique to twinks. In fact, I stopped max-level PvP for exactly this reason. At max-level, the grind to PvP gear was endless and required continuous update, which means if you put the game down for a few months, you were a free honor kill again. Twinks required a few hours and a few gold and stayed forever. You could just focus on the game and learning your character.
If you have an aversion to low-level PvP where gearing is a requirement, you⊠will⊠not⊠enjoy⊠max⊠level⊠PVP. The fact that you are willfully ignorant of this detail is a big indicator that you donât really have any interest in the discussion â not that attempts at hyperbole couldnât have said as much.
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All the people that fought tooth and nail against twinks are now complaining there isnât enough people to play with lol
Itâs what you wanted
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Instant indicator that someone is going to try to willfully misunderstand.
Who said âpreordained?â Even if the outcome is decided by twinks, which team has more? Which team has better ones? Do you know when you join the queue? Isnât that exactly as arbitrarily random as if gear didnât matter?
Actually, I gear my characters because I know that itâs a requirement for the competition. You donât join a chess championship without knowing how to play chess. You donât show up to a BG without gear. It should be common sense, but obviously âcommonâ doesnât necessarily imply âuniversal.â
I donât agree. Iâve played against several mains of twinks and I have yet to (in 14 years) meet one that was even remotely adept in his class let alone a âmaster.â This is in no way, shape or form meant to be an insult, itâs just how it is.
No matter how you try and sweeten the concept up, you have people who prefer to PVP against against casually geared levelers rather than against people who have actually mastered their classes. I knew a guy in real life who plays a twink and applies this exact same principle to other gaming. This guys is almost 40 and only ever seems to game against little kids. He intimidates them into not beating him then when he wins, he brags about how awesome at the game he is. Whenever somebody older asks to play him, there is always the âwell I gotta go soonâ or similar excuse. And if a kid asks him after that, itâs always âwell, I guess I got time for a quick one.â He used to talk about how he plays a twink in WoW and how awesome he is at PVP. He got into a conversation with the owner and another customer who play arena and when he mentioned he twinks, they smiled and were like âlol really, guy?â
Great, but since the average player canât stay away from midfield in WSG, youâd have to admit that he/she is at least an upgrade from average.
I know a guy who plays WoW and went to jail for, well, for the sensitive folk out there, it had something to do with kids. He doesnât play a twink at all.
Personally, Iâm heading towards 40 myself and I will never say that Iâm anywhere close to decent at the game. I will say that I understand the battlegrounds available to lower-level characters better than average, but I have certainly far from mastered it. I did, however, used to use a hunterâs beast-fear ability (whatever it was called when they actually had it) on druids in the 19 bracket who were taking advantage of their superior speed. Thatâs not something you saw frequently, but it was quite successful. Did I master the hunter? No. Did I understand the level 19 hunter better than most? Iâd like to think so, but if you think about it, that makes sense. I spent a lot of time in the 19 bracket.
Your attempts to frame twink players as big people trying to beat up little people falls short, but the truth is that your narrative is fixed and you canât be convinced either way, even though your contention wouldnât pass any form of smell test.
Why would I play a twink character? â because they have a finite gear grind. Thatâs why. Do I seek undergeared players to show them how terrible they are? No. I seek the flag carriers. My favorite BG is WSG and yes, when I did have a twink, if there were no flag carriers, I attacked the opposing twinks first, because thatâs how games are won.
Not at all. Since queues were split, Iâve noticed an astronomically large increase in quality of BGs. The aforementioned were the ones farming the middle or GY.
Says who? You? It doesnât make it any less true. Just an interesting similarity that the originating comment made me think of.
I mean this with all due respect but if youâre looking for a finite gear set, MMOs may not be the types of games for you.
As a twink player myself, I can say that is categorically false. Out of curiosity, what are you doing in low-level queues for long enough to get a statistically useful set of experiences from the low-level battlegrounds? â and if you really did spend that amount of time, twinks obviously werenât enough of a bother to scare you away, were they?
Yes â with supporting arguments. Your contention was that twink players are just old people who want to beat up on kids. I am a twink player who is not what you suggest. When you make broad arguments like that, they become very easy to defeat and it seems that terrible arguments tend to frequently have that in common.
Same argument could be made for those with a disdain for gear, no?
â and I say that without hyperbole. Before they lumped all of the characters into the same level and squished everyoneâs stats together, they had already standardized enchantment stats and eliminated the level 64 MoP gear advantage, meaning that the only difference between a âtwinkâ and everybody else was about 10%. â probably 40% max since some players joined at the bottom of the bracket in level. âTwinksâ almost ceased to exist by then.
Thatâs not really a surprise. Twinks are saying things are no different, levelers are noticing how much better they are. And to answer your other question, leveling exclusively through PVP.
Supporting⊠how? With conjecture and hyperbole? I wasnât making any âcontention.â I was making a comparison. Nobody needs to prove anything. Twinks are the ones who do it to themselves. Theyâre the ones who get so upset when they canât PVP against levelers. Theyâre the ones who make every excuse in the book as to why they donât play the game like everyone else. Some of us were born at night, but not last night.
For someone with comments that are overly easy to counter, youâre sure confident in your abilities. Iâm fine with how things are. Blizzard has agreed (both times now) that you guys can twink to hear hearts content⊠but with each other.
Interesting strawman but no.
Donât waste your time trying to reason with Greyhide. Heâs just a troll who follows all twink threads to say how awful they are.
People who are against twinks donât want to listen to any reasonable arguments, or alternative fixes to the scaling system. They are simply looking for an easy way to level up, and twinks are a challenge that they simply want removed.
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Thatâs the whole problem, isnât it? â no. Itâs not a strawman and Iâm not going to bother to explain it to you.
Of course, because there is nothing to explain.
All of those years of bashing your head against twinks as made the skull rather thick.
Ah, a twink supporter who wants the last word by making insults. Who didnât see that one coming? ![:roll_eyes:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/roll_eyes.png?v=6" ":roll_eyes:")
Itâs true though, isnât it? â or maybe it isnât? Explain to me in detail what you mean, because âthick skullâ is rather appropriate for your level of discussion.