And you can’t farm them either right? More excuses…
No one is being punished. Twinks are not being punished any more than a level 40 is “punished” by not being able to queue against 39’s.
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Not without explicitly gimping your leveling speed. You can’t say spend x hours farming at level 19 to get BIS without having xp turned off. If xp off didnt exist it wouldn’t be a problem, but it does for reasons beyond twinks which is why it still exists but have been removed from BG queues.
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I turned my XP off at level 80 so I could finish BC/WOTLK content without overleveling. I know I can just keep doing the quests and such, but I don’t wanna be so overpowered I’m one-shotting everything. That’s boring to me.
I know a lot of you hate twinking (I don’t pvp so I’m not giving an opinion), but the solution can’t be to take away the ability to turn xp gain off. It has a purpose and a use outside of pvp/twinking. I like being able to pause my progression in that manner so I can maximize the content at a lower level expansion. :C
Right, so a choice you made to put leveling speed over playing BG’s? That was your choice, not their fault.
you don’t think it’s ridiculous for a leveler to be essentially told they need to twink out for EVERY FRICKIN BRACKET if they’re going to be bging while they’re leveling? so you can only gear ONCE and spend the gold but the leveler is expected to do it for every single bracket until cap? 0.o
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No, the choice they made was to not prioritize achieving BIS at level 19. 29, 39 etc… BG’s are the commonality between the two. Each party chooses to do BG’s, but one chooses to use a system that allows them to achieve BIS and objectively gain unfair advantage as without that it would otherwise be achievable. So these two groups have been separated, for good reason.
By your logic above:
The twink chooses to turn off xp. Therefore prioritizing playing BIS/level cap over faster BG queues. That’s their choice, not my fault.
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One of the better decisions Blizz made here recently. Everybody shouldn’t need to get full BiS for every bracket to even have a chance of surviving. This will make for a much better leveling experience for the majority of players.
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I mean, the problem though is if you enjoyed PvPing at a specific bracket. It’s not even necessarily about being decked out in gear at that level. If you turn XP off for any reason, Blizzard essentially says “you can’t PvP”.
The fact that the pro queue merge folk keep making completely contradictoty arguments is absurd.
You can’t tell people that ‘anyone’ can go farm best in slot gear if the math would require you to turn exp off to reach that gear parity.
You can’t tell people that ‘anyone can get looms / enchants’ and then also tell me you spent weeks working on your twinks.
You can’t tell me that it’s the average levelers fault for your abuse of a system specifically for a maximized advantage and specifically optimized character.
They’re all choices made by exactly one side and are all problems imposed by one playstyle.
At least be honest about the issues.
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Twinking has never been a thing i’ve been fond of. It ruins the fun of low-level pvp for a lot of newer players, but get why people want to do it.
If they are segregating twinks from the rest of pvp, thats their decision to ensure that low level pvp is still fun for everyone.
I’d like to know what the twinks would do if even bigger fish could join the game
imagine if you could bring a level 120 toon down to a level 59 bracket and play with all their high level stuff
wonder if they would think that would be okay as long as it scaled them to level 19 or what ever
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Like timewalking? Throw in some legendary items too lol
Ok, then you need to be honest about the issues. For instance, the majority of people had no issue doing BG’s with Twinks in them, but some people complained because they feel entitled to win just by showing up with no gear on.
As I have said before, I don’t Twink, and yet I still do low level BG’s and have a blast because there is really no issue aside from one game here and there. I would go so far as to say that most BG’s have less than 3 or 4 twinks in them at all anyway, so you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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Really now?
No you don’t respect them.
I never once made mention of twinks and whether or not people were for or against them in bg’s, except for as spoken by others in this thread.
Except that you did say that it was an abuse by Twinks, and that it was all their fault. So yes, you did mention them, just without actually using the word.
Abuse of the system? You mean using the gear that has always been available to people in the bracket, and has been used by the people in that bracket forever?
PvP is about gear, always has been and always will be. So if you want to jump into PvP without any half decent gear, then you are supposed to get beat, that is the nature of PvP, and it’s not even exclusive to wow, that goes for basically every game that has any PvP content at all.
It is abuse of a system, yes. It has been covered, I even specifically used examples brought up in this thread and how they are laughably contradictory, which was not addressed by the by.
There are numerous ways to obtain gear, and numerous brackets, and a very specific and linear scale in level but not power. By stopping one, and increasing the other, you are using a system for the express purpose that Blizzard deemed a new queue necessitated.
The average player isn’t going to have a problem, and it’s not the average player being impacted here, so the problem is in fact one of the twink community’s.
I’m not even saying it to be snide, which would be easy. The odds are simply that it will take longer for Blizzard to respond, ignoring that the odds are heavily stacked against as exemplified in this thread, whereas the twink community could band together for other solutions.
Something also not unique to wow pvp, by the by. The communities of numerous competitive games, like fighters, have to do for their own and make for their own.
I’m not going to call it entitlement, but it’s auspicious that word keeps getting tossed around at the supposed casuals, bads, and average pvpers and yet deflected when addressed by the twinks.
Once again, getting gear that is in the appropriate level, and then going into PvP is not abusing anything. Blizzard is the ones who made leveling so fast that you can’t get the best gear in time to outgrow it, that was again the casual player base whining. Just like this is the casual player base whining that brought on the change.
Also, Twinks are still there, and always will be, because they will go to the faster queue, and just make a new Twink when the inevitably out level the bracket, just like they did before you could turn XP off. As a matter of fact, the XP off was a solution to casuals complaining as well.
The bottom line is that a good chunk of wow players are TERRIBLE at PvP, and changing rules for Twinks is never going to solve that problem.
It’s just like Blizz handing out gear like candy at max level has not suddenly turned casuals into good raiders, it has in fact proven that gear makes little difference if you are bad at the game.
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Thank you for proving the dishonesty of your argument. Because no one ever said casuals were good. What was said was that twinks had an unfair advantage and Blizzard made a solution to that problem.
That’a all it comes down to, and your supposition of player skill is irrelevant as such. Twinks aren’t complaining players are bad, they’re complaining their queue times are bad.
Well. Cause and effect. No different than if I level locked at 70 and suddenly took days to find a group for heroic mechanar. It’s not special or unique. It’s unsupported for a reason, and none of the arguments thusly have addressed that, nor taken responsibility as such.
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