The stigma against twinking never warranted this

what does mythic raiding have to do with twinking? if you “twinked” at max level like you were supposed to there would be no separate queues. :stuck_out_tongue:

Nobodies taking anything from anyone, though. You can kill twinks as a non-twink by the way, so acting like twinks are somehow immortal gods is really ridiculous. Yeah they’re strong, but not un-killable. So saying “taking batltegrounds away from leveling players” is a farce.

If the person isn’t having fun because they’re getting two shot, they have a PLETHORA of options on ways to either fix it or try doing something else. Where as twinks only have one option and now they don’t anymore.

No. I think people going into a bracket knowing there’s a 9 level gap at a lower level, no decent gear, barely knowing how to PvP have no leg to stand on when they complain about dying and blame twinking.

A lot of the times twinks aren’t even the problem, It’s bad players claiming every death or lost game is due to twinks when that isn’t always the case.

Sure, sometimes there’s a player at a decent level and they get stomped by a twink. It should inspire them to make their character stronger and better, un-objectively the purpose of the game. They’ll enjoy the game more, they’ll level faster, and in turn have more fun.

As me and others have stated a million times, we can’t. The que times already are 35 minutes for the most popular brackets only days after the patch. People are going to quickly lose interest in waiting that long and ques will shoot up to one game per day at best…

I think that’s a poor outlook to have “It doesn’t effect me, so I don’t care and you’re screwed so you have to deal with it” you can disagree, but don’t try and peddle some un-remorseful BS like that.

You know what makes “so many levels in total” go by faster? Having a geared character that can burn through things easily, just a pro tip from a player since vanilla. :sunglasses:

You know what’s cool about people not wanting to spend “thousands” (which by the way for the average player is almost nothing) while leveling? They don’t have to. Nobodies forcing players to use the slowest leveling method in the game to level…

Do you see now? That’s the problem. People are completely shuting down an entire way people love and enjoy playing the game purely for the sake of their want to inefficiently level characters.

Imagine if people said they ONLY want to level with PvP and questing / dungeons were too hard for them because they didn’t have the gear to complete them so people demanded dungeons and quests get taken out of the game and Blizzard did? People who love to dungeon and quest would be sad. Have some remorse.

Most twinks are or were high end pvpers and pvers. Not all, but a good amount.

This hypothetical casual player that is doing 1-2 bg’s a bracket does not HAVE to gear like a twink. They also do not HAVE to queue into a bg or a dungeon or pet battles. If they chose to participate in these events, then they should have a reasonable expectation that they are not really contributing any significant effort to their sides victory. If you want to down a boss in a dungeon or raid, you need to be sufficiently geared for that boss. Otherwise you are just getting carried & not helping your team at all.

bye felicia

Might actually do a few low-level bgs now

No, I don’t see the problem; people twinking should be put in their own queues since they outgear the average player to the point the average player doesn’t have a chance. It ruins the average players doing BGs.

do you even hear yourself? that’s like saying a fresh 120 has no business in a normal bg even though it’s perfectly normal for the vast majority of this games life span to queue randoms to get gear so you can do higher rated pvp.

*Very few, and imagine that? Less than you see at 120 too.

Post on main.

Which is fine. I disagree and think the average player isn’t much different than a twink, people are just to lazy to gear their characters and blame every death / loss on twinks and over exaggerate how bad twinks are even when there are no twinks in games.

Just wait for Classic. Twinking will be back.

I am, wish they would release a date already.

Not at all, I have an almost zero chance of beating a twink at low levels in average twink gear; no matter how much I outplay them. Especially if they have self-heals, or basically can just 1 shot me which is quite common at this levels.

It has nothing to do with being ‘too lazy’ to gear my characters at all, I’m doing all the content for my level and getting gear from those places; but against a twink it still isn’t enough.

The only main difference between the twink and the average player is enchants, and deliberate itemization. Better drops rates, better access to enchants (i.e., perhaps sell scrolls for bg tokens), and balancing a few OP enchants that don’t scale would fix just about everything.

The average player has access to heirlooms. The average player leveling isn’t leveling for the first time. The average player isn’t going to level exclusively thru BGs on their very first character.

These players typically have access to heirlooms and gold, and balancing and changes should not be done around the small percentage that do not, or more often choose not

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It’s close. Just got to wait for autumn to be over.

This goes for any level, not just end game. If you want to win, you need to do & be your best. Your team needs to do & be their best. Your team is only as strong as it’s weakest member. If you are not actively contributing to the win, then you are leaching & being carried.

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If you call not twinking ‘leeching’ then you are indeed the reason why these changes are being made and will continue to be made.

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In another post you touted having 50+ characters that you’ve leveled to cap but insist that you won’t use heirlooms. Maybe that’s just greedy to hoard so much gold and never use it in a way that contributes to your team or team objectives.

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Or maybe I’m not interested in twinking leveling characters? Imagine a world where that happens.

I think that may be an issue with your game play then instead of their gear.

Also, you already admitted that you have slots missing. At 29 if you have slots missing that’s a you problem for sure. You’re only proving that it’s casual players going into BGs naked and complaining they’re dying, then complaining that everyone’s a twink.