The stigma against twinking never warranted this

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First of all you made literally all of that argument up in your mind. I just explained why I do not have 15000 achievment points nor a vast and sweeping pvp history. You fully filled in a whole bunch of attitude into my comments that I did not put there. I absolutely DID read your posts, and that is why I included you in my comment as “those who defend this practice”. It appears to me that you have selective reading, and you likely only hear what you want to hear.
I filled in your gender because I don’t know any military moms that act like you, using their sons reputation to try to win arguments. Perhaps I was mistaken. I do not care either way.

Please have a great day, and make sure you take a long hard look in the mirror, ma’am.

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I dunno about that, sharding and phasing do weird stuff. I often hear someone say something in general and I /who them and it says 0 players. I don’t trust /who searches anymore.

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955

Try this one maybe? imgur(dot)com/jqWvszF

Your problem may also be that you are Horde. :stuck_out_tongue:

956

in the exp on brackets it’s like 8-10m for most of the vanilla levels for horde. shorter for alliance. maybe there’s also more horde twinks in the exp off queue as well?

957

I’m gonna break this down chunk by chunk…

Spawn camping - This happens in non-twink games just as often. People regularly cap 2 flags and spawn camp people until the other team just quits and they’re left spawn camping 3 players. It happens even more so in max level.

Tbagging - Nobody does this, in all my years of playing, even when I’ve gotten into emote wars with people I’ve never seen people do this in a BG. Outside of BGs sure, but not in BGs.

Emote spamming - People do this whether they’re twinks or not. I used to think it was funny and I’d target people doing it, now a days it’s extremely rare to see in my experience.

What you’re explaining aren’t common practices for the most part, aside from spawn camping…but once again, that happens regardless of twinks being in or not.

The problem with templates is that they don’t take into account what the player wants to play their character like. I started Legion as a Balance Druid, and templates are the reason I quit.

The amount of Astral Power Balance gets per spell is a fixed static amount. So if it takes 2.5s to cast a Lunar Flare or 1.25s, doesn’t matter: Generates 12 Astral Power. Early in the expansion this was such an issue that Haste was valued over even INT, and 2:1 over Mastery.

But in PvP I’m forced to play Mastery Centric Balance Druid. I didn’t feel like I was playing my Boomkin. It was so awful I quit before the end of the year(2016).

That said, I like that players are more normalized across the board, that’s never been the issue. The issue is that I don’t feel like I’m playing MY character, I feel like I’m playing some tablet-goblin’s version of a crappy Boomkin.

Say they want to balance your secondary stats to 10,000 (+1% per 10/ilevel). And roughly 70% of my stat allocation is in Haste. Then give me 7,000 Haste in my template. Take MY choices into consideration, rather than just lazily slapping together a version you think I should play.

This what I think people are actually complaining about with templates. It took the RPG out of the MMO. GW2 actually gives you more control over your character stats in instanced PvP, and that was a joke 6 years ago.

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What I really find amusing in all of these almost-thousand posts now of back and forth antics, is the lack of acknowledgment by twinks about what they do to those leveling battlegrounds. Literally none of them care. It’s all a bunch of “git gud” “don’t Q” “mad cuz bad” etc etc. You have said nothing to defend leveling battlegrounds. You have no arguments presented because none of them care. If you don’t care how negatively twinking affects the carefree leveling battleground and ruins its appeal to casual players, then why* should I be nice.

Edit: refusing to acknowledge the majority opinion does nothing for any twinking arguments… for example… what is your solution?

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959

For a game that is built on gearing and becoming more powerful, for the sole reason of beating the opposing faction to get blocked from doing that is just dumb asss.

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960

The solution is people actually gear their characters. Twinking isn’t like what it used to be like. You don’t have to grind dungeons, max professions, spend a ton of gold, etc.

When I casually level alts (which I do a lot of, as stated previously leveling alts is one of my favorite activites since vanilla) and I get stomped by a twink, it makes me want to gear my character and get even better.

That’s why I fail to understand why other people prefer to complain and force the game into negative directions instead… I think it’s also why most twink players get upset, there’s solutions already available to people…people CHOOSE to not take them and instead complain the game should be changed to suit how they want to play.

I mean could you imagine if someone said “People over X ilvl in max levels should be in their own bracket because I don’t have fun with my characters that have no gear”

They’d be laughed at.

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Right? The decision is literally pandering to people who openly admit they refuse to gear their characters and want to only fight players with crappy gear…

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962

if you’re doing 1-2 bgs a bracket because you’re sitting in queue while you quest WHY should they have to gear like a twink does to be able to enjoy the battleground?

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Just a protip this is what leveling gear looks like for up to level 29, dungeons, bgs, and quests

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That’s pretty much it. It may as well be a thread ‘I just hit max level and every pvper who has been pvping non stop is nuking me. Please block them from attacking me till I have the same gear, but not right now cause im RP pve’ing’. What they are doing is bad for the long term. Obviously the geared dudes subs have been active for a long time, not the other way around.

965

I understand where your competitive stance is, and I agree on a lot of it, but like I said man. Minority vs Majority.

The few have far more negative consequences than the many. How many people really want to stop everything they’re doing to go spend thousands of gold, raid carries and enchants done by guildies and whatnot, just so they can come back a bg and win it handily, only to advance to the next bracket in a few more levels. What is the point in that? What you aren’t taking into consideration is that twinking has a hugely negative impact, from a relatively small amount of players, into the large majority of players. There is literally nothing wrong with asking twinks to fight other twinks. The queue times are bad because there’s not enough of you. Thats it. I still got plenty of bg queues on my alts this past week. Heck on my old server, before realm merging, I had to wait at minimum 30 minutes per queue. At worst now my queues are 15 minutes. I have no issues with this change, my battlegrounds have been better and more balanced.

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They don’t have to, nobodies saying they have to. But don’t you think It’s silly to go into PvP at the lowest end of a bracket and expect to not be killed? Then blame it on twinks regardless of whether people are twinks or not…?

When twinking was taken out last time that happened to me quite often while casually leveling, but what are people going to blame then? No twinks anymore, so they realize they’re just bad and move on.

Twinks are a scapegoat for anything negative that happens to people in PvP and it’s honestly pathetic.

The amount of times people blamed “twinking” for ruining this or that, when there were no twinks is un-measurable in the games I’ve played since vanilla.

Profiles private, but I’m going to assume you’re trying to show me low ilvl gear. Every piece of “twink” gear is just bought off the auction house. You can go to XP off and armory any of the characters on the twink lists and see almost all their gear is just BoE gear, anyone can get it without any trouble.

It’s not like back in the day twinking where best in slot twinking gear required you to grind out dungeons and such. It’s insanely easy to gear your character and you don’t even have to be “completely twinked out” to compete with other “twinks” that’s why It’s so irrational for people to be complaining so much about twinking.

Yeah, just more harm to the game than good I think. Removing twinking is definitely another solid reason why I’m not going to re-sub this expansion

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I don’t see it as shaming to point out the position where someone is coming from, especially if it is relevant to the place that the guys deciding policy supposedly take feedback from.

Templates could be cheated at the lower levels. Just for example, in Booty Bay, there is a WHITE ring that has an ilvl of 50 which you can buy for a small sum of gold. The highest ilvl ring you could get in the 20 bracket (as a level 20) was the Band of Argus at an ilvl of 32 (now grandfathered), and even then, you could only get one. Suffice to say, a white item with no stats, that could be equipped two at a time, would yield a 4-6% stat boost, depending on your class, because of how templates worked in bgs.

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I wish people would stop trying to push this argument. As if leveling, and endgame - where gear acquisition is THE ENTIRE GAME are even remotely the same.

Yes, you acquire gear while leveling, too, but pretending people are, or should put as much effort into gear that they’re going to soon have to trash as gear that will actually present a solid and reasonably long-lasting upgrade to their character isn’t really arguing in good faith.

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i’ve already said if it were up to me in using templates ilevel wouldn’t be king. it would all just be normalized. i don’t see why you would WANT a massive gear advantage in the 1st place. also if you go to max level and raid you can still have a gear advantage but it won’t be so drastic and it would be more competitive?

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They don’t think like this because to them level 29 is endgame. Level 39, 59, etc, thats it. Finished. XP OFF. Every gear is long lasting, so they go get old cheap enchants and gems and then proceed to insult everyone else who doesn’t.

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reads a paragraph Oh that form of twink. I was way off.

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You don’t have to spend thousands of gold. All the gear you can buy off the AH that twinks use for the most part is relatively in-expensive. As I also stated before, you don’t need best in slot gear to be competitive against twinks. Hell I’ve beaten tons of twinks in completely average geared characters.

Raid carries are only in a very few specific brackets that really aren’t even alive anyway, so most people don’t even bother twinking in them due to the time it takes to “twink” vs how long the ques are.

Enchants - There’s a LOT less enchants than what there used to be and on top of that, all the slots that CAN be enchanted are heirloom slots…if you’re not leveling your character with enchant looms, you’re really kind of shooting yourself in the foot in the first place anyway? Enchants aren’t expensive.

I think gearing your character is the whole goal of the game. It makes progression and leveling go faster which from the plethora of complaints about how LONG it took to level, is what people want - faster leveling. The way you do that is easily gearing your character…so I don’t see what’st he problem there…

twinking has a hugely negative impact…to people who are too lazy to gear their characters / people who don’t know how to PvP… You also forget people love when they have twinks on their own teams and can win games and have fun. Which is another pro twink point - twinks in BGs have almost NEVER been lopsided. I’ve almost never seen a game where only one side has twinks and the other doesn’t. It’s always 1-2 twinks on both teams…

Yes, que times are non-existent because there’s not enough of us, so put us back in the regular brackets, it lowers the que times for both parties. Sure XP on brackets are low because people are leveling new races, but as per example of the last time XP brackets were in their own, they’re going to crawl up pretty high to 3+ hours sometimes.

To say “Well I’m happy so nothing else matters” is a pretty negative way to look at things. If you disagree, that’s fine. But being happy about fellow gamers suffering is pretty crummy.